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IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by goldfishgold »

wordofx wrote: post #810
goldfishgold wrote: post #796

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How does this post misrepresent Israel’s options and its apparent decision?

Palestine has had many opportunities for statehood. Current President of Israel is not completely opposed to statehood, citing security concerns which are clearly valid considering Palestine has repeatedly broken cease fire agreements and Hamas entire goal is to eradicate Israel. They are not being treated as sub-human. Remember Israel warns Palestine of air strikes. There have been many reports of Hamas refusing to…

Clearly there is disagreement in Israel to some limited degree about the reality and appeal of a two state solution, but it’s hard to see that as a realistic or desired outcome when Netanyahu keeps saying things like “everyone knows that I am the one who for decades blocked the establishment of a Palestinian state that would endanger our existence.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boasts-of-thwarting-...

Certainly it’s the stated position and goal of the current government, which is what the initial post said.

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Post by chaosbolt »

huhkerrf wrote: post #171
chaosbolt wrote: post #43

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> by the same people who claim they had a genocide commited against them C'mon, you can't just go around implying that the Jews only "claimed" to have a genocide against them.

People are constantly implying the Russians invaded Ukraine for no reason, or that Iran is the aggressor in the recent war, or that a genocide isn't actially happening.

And this shit is happening now.

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Post by leptons »

decimalenough wrote: post #732
leptons wrote: post #698

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I'm not fan of the Trump administration, but nevertheless, no, it really isn't. Arab citizens of Israel are systematically and legally discriminated against to an extent with no parallel in the US, and Arabs in the occupied territories (West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza) have effectively no rights at all.

They are coming for everyone that isn't white, christian, and voted for trump. Just check back on this comment in a year or two. These are fascists, there is nobody they won't demonize. Once they have run out of immigrants to incarcerate, and then trans and gay people, they will come after democrats.

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Post by birn559 »

snickerbockers wrote: post #832
neepi wrote: post #659

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I don't like getting involved in political threads but on this I have to. All information presented is mostly unverified testimony printed verbatim by the press from untrustworthy sources on both sides. It's difficult to tell what is fact and what is not. A lot of early reports in this war turned out to be false information and the rush to immediate news notification rather than quality journalism means that the head…

Haaretz is the last news organization I would expect to knowingly spread anti-israel disinformation. If these guys are telling you what Israel is doing is bad then it's bad.

Could you elaborate? Because it's an Israeli news organization?

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Post by birn559 »

mjevans wrote: post #319
xg15 wrote: post #222

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In theory, we want to end it through the Two-State Solution (though even what this means is vague - certainty not the borders of 1967 that Palestinians and Arabs are demanding) But yeah, in practice, we seem to want it to end with full Israeli dominance, and the Palestinians either emigrating to Egypt and Jordan or vanishing into thin air, I suppose.

I'd like better news coverage of that: What exactly ARE the goals / demands of every side. Both what they say in public, and what's generally accepted as the rational real goals each side requests / demands / etc via peace talks as well as through violence. The breakdown could even focus on factions within the nebulous term of 'sides'. An average citizen is likely to have looser criteria than a government / terrorist…

Hamas wants to destroy Israel, they are pretty open about it. They are also not really holding back about their antisemitism. The mass murdering on 7th October pretty much demonstrates what Hamas is about in general.

They also murdered the Gazan opposition after they were voted into power and have not really allowed voting since. They are pretty much not interested in increasing the situation for the people in Gaza. That's also why they are a terror organization.

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

throwaway290 wrote: post #455
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #300

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what about the last two years of video evidence of all the other war crimes? The bodies of burnt children. The reports of doctors who document multiple sniper rounds found in the bodies of small children and toddlers? I've been seeing reports about internet connectivity being very touch and go in Gaza the last few weeks. Is it not unreasonable to think, those who are starving the most might not have internet/electric…

jsyk many cases of evidence turned out to be propaganda and instead was showing Syria ( https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231229-war-of-narrat... and Bellingcat looked into it as well) Some of it may be real but you really need to pay attention about who posted it originally, who reposted it etc, even people you wouldn't expect sometimes retweeted recycled Syrian footage...

> Some of it may be real

From first-hand accounts, a lot of it is in-fact real. Including the babies who were left to die in the NICU. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/09/opinion/gaza-...

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Post by mhb »

dang wrote: post #149
TheGuyWhoCodes wrote: post #148

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I don't agree that it's off topic, nor that HN would be better if we suppressed it and acted like this isn't happening. We're trying for a global optimum*, and the most important part of that is not to settle for local optima, such as not discussing difficult things. I've posted about this quite a bit, since it inevitably comes up every time this topic appears on HN's front page. Here's another part of the current th…

If you're really intent on fostering higher quality, honest discussion maybe don't just make exceptions for the the post about Israeli mistakes which they actually investigate.

There are reasonable discussions to be had, but the submissions which might catalyze them are quickly flagged (as opposed to defended, like this one).

Examples:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44409805

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44409708

If you're going to defend how this inflammatory post is some kind of exception to your policies, you're going to have to do a better job.

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Post by _l7dh »

edanm wrote: post #626
the__alchemist wrote: post #218

Some context first so my opinion isn't misconstrued as as leftist stereotype. This is within context of the behavior described in the article. - I'm a Jew in USA, and served in the military for more than a decade. - I used to get annoyed by the Palestinian protests I'd see in the years before this, and generally sided with Israel, and the operations its military performed in counter-Shia-militia operations etc in the…

I'll provide context too - I'm a Jewish Israeli. I'd probably be considered left (or even far-left) by Israeli standards, but I'm in the "pro-Israeli" camp as conventionally understood online. This Haaretz article is very troubling. To the extent it's accurate, there's not much question that it reflects war crimes. A few thoughts: 1. The article itself says there is an ongoing investigation into some of these accusat…

> I hope that, to whatever extent this is happening, it's not widespread, and anyone committing war crimes is very visibly and publicly tried in court.

Sorry but you’re either dishonest or totally delusional. Tens of thousands of children murdered, nobody even thinks of putting a stop on this, and you say « it’s not widespread ». What?

There has been so so many atrocities, even before Oct 7th committed by both the Israeli army and armed settlers in the West Bank. There is never, NEVER, anyone being held accountable. Snipers shoot kids on the beach? All good. Torture and rape in your prisons? Fine.

Dude, you should fix your society. You are simply heading towards your own destruction, morally, on the side of public sympathy, and merely as people capable of living with other people peacefully.

edit: minor typo.

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