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Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

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Post by lomase » Tue, Jun 03, 2025, 1:51 PM UTC

Leo-thorne wrote: post #735

At first I didn’t think LLMs were that impressive, but ever since I started using them, I’ve pretty much stopped writing for loops by hand. It’s not that I forgot how. I just don’t feel like doing it anymore. The time it saves me on boilerplate lets me focus on other things. Sometimes the code isn’t perfect and I need to fix it, but it’s still way easier than starting from scratch.

99% of the code I write today does not use for loops. I don't need an IA for that, just C# or any map function.

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

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Post by Existenceblinks » Tue, Jun 03, 2025, 1:53 PM UTC

Ironically all nuts friends seem to be talking less, less defensive than other nuts friends who keep talking about other people not buying what they believe nuts.

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

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Post by vb-8448 » Tue, Jun 03, 2025, 1:53 PM UTC

gdubs wrote: post #6

One thing that I find truly amazing is just the simple fact that you can now be fuzzy with the input you give a computer, and get something meaningful in return. Like, as someone who grew up learning to code in the 90s it always seemed like science fiction that we'd get to a point where you could give a computer some vague human level instructions and get it more or less do what you want.

In my opinion, most of the problems we see now with LLMs come from being fuzzy ... I'm used to getting very good code from claude o gemini (copy and paste without any changes that just works) but I have to be very specific, sometime it takes longer to write the prompt than writing the code itself.

If I'm fuzzy, the output quality is usually low and I need several iterations before getting an acceptable result.

At some point, in the future, there will be some kind of formalization on how to ask swe question to llms ... and we will get another programming language to rule the all :D

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

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Post by elric » Tue, Jun 03, 2025, 1:57 PM UTC

ang_cire wrote: post #752

One thing that really bothered me that the author glossed over (perhaps they don't care, given the tone of the article) is where they said: > Does an intern cost $20/month? Because that’s what Cursor.ai costs. > Part of being a senior developer is making less-able coders productive, be they fleshly or algebraic. But do you know what another part of being a senior developer is? Not just making them more productive, bu…

This is something that's been simmering in the back of my mind for a while. Using an AI Agent instead of talking to your human colleagues deprives both of you from learning opportunities. There are probably short term gains in many cases, but I fear there will be long term losses over time.

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

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Post by lerp-io » Tue, Jun 03, 2025, 2:00 PM UTC

ai would be great if only the problems I was trying to solve were the right ones

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

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Post by kurko » Tue, Jun 03, 2025, 2:03 PM UTC

What's the likelihood that this was 90%+ written by an LLM? It'd be ironic, especially now that there are 2000+ engineers commenting on it.

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

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Post by cwoolfe » Tue, Jun 03, 2025, 2:05 PM UTC

"Reading other people’s code is part of the job. If you can’t metabolize the boring, repetitive code an LLM generates: skills issue! How are you handling the chaos human developers turn out on a deadline?" Good point! Treat AI generated code as if somebody else had written it. It will need the same review, testing and refactoring as that.

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

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Post by jacobsenscott » Tue, Jun 03, 2025, 2:13 PM UTC

I've yet to see an LLM produce anything but disastrous bugs. Remember they don't know they're writing code that can destroy companies and livelihoods. They are just spitting out plausible but always wrong text.

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

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Post by tiborsaas » Tue, Jun 03, 2025, 2:14 PM UTC

pera wrote: post #800

It's fascinating how over the past year we have had almost daily posts like this one, yet from the outside everything looks exactly the same, isn't that very weird? Why haven't we seen an explosion of new start-ups, products or features? Why do we still see hundreds of bug tickets on every issue tracking page? Have you noticed anything different on any changelog? I invite tptacek, or any other chatbot enthusiast arou…

Maybe because these companies are smaller and fly under the radar. They require less funding team size is small, probably bankrolled by the founders.

At least that's what I do and what I see among friends.

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

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Post by tschellenbach » Tue, Jun 03, 2025, 2:15 PM UTC

pera wrote: post #800

It's fascinating how over the past year we have had almost daily posts like this one, yet from the outside everything looks exactly the same, isn't that very weird? Why haven't we seen an explosion of new start-ups, products or features? Why do we still see hundreds of bug tickets on every issue tracking page? Have you noticed anything different on any changelog? I invite tptacek, or any other chatbot enthusiast arou…

One of our AI enabled internal projects is moving ~135 faster than before. Of course you can't perfectly compare. New framework, better insights, updated libraries etc.