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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by danaris »

jlarocco wrote: post #778
Aurornis wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe some folks need to take a moment to deal with a little discomfort. Your scooter wouldn’t even clear the snow here, let alone stay upright on the ice. I think some folks need to realize the world is a big place that doesn’t always look like their local area.

Meh. If a person can't be responsible while driving, then I don't really care what the consequences are for them; they shouldn't be on the road. In fact, I hope it does make life difficult for them - maybe they'll think twice and not drive like an idiot and put innocent people's lives at risk.

Did you miss the part where this can be highly dependent on the officer's judgement?

If you take away someone's ability to get to their job because a racist/corrupt/grumpy/power-tripping police officer decided to perjure themselves to declare that they drove recklessly, you have given police a tool to destroy the lives of anyone they dislike.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by const_cast »

hcurtiss wrote: post #767
jollyllama wrote: post #760

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> It does not require manufacturers to pre-install them, and it does not use the electronics built into the car. It sounds analogous to the breathalyzer devices that are an option for judges in some jurisdictions. There's already a law on the books requiring breathalyzers in all new cars by next year: https://live959.com/law-mandates-mass-cars-to-have-breathaly... Presumably, anti-speeding tech will be made mandatory…

Wait -- I have to pay for a breathalizer in my new vehicle because other people can't follow the law? That's BS. I don't drink alcohol and I hate everything about this.

When it comes to motor vehicles we're CONSTANTLY paying for other people's mistakes. The unfortunate reality is that driving is the number 1 cause of death for most demographics.

We cannot treat it like we treat other things, simply due to the extreme risk. That means we have to prevent accidents any way we can and put safety nets where we can.

Yes, it sucks that now you're going to have to pay marginally more for your vehicle. If it's any consolation, you're already paying 10x more than you should for the variety of safety structures in place, research, testing, regulations, policing, etc. The fruits of this are real, though. Please look into vehicle fatality statistics.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by caminanteblanco »

hulitu wrote: post #774
hcurtiss wrote: post #767

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Wait -- I have to pay for a breathalizer in my new vehicle because other people can't follow the law? That's BS. I don't drink alcohol and I hate everything about this.

> That's BS. I don't drink alcohol and I hate everything about this. But you might. Remember, everyone is a potential terrorist. /s

This isn't reddit

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by toss1 »

ryao wrote: post #805
toss1 wrote: post #793

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>>Is this merely adding a device to a criminal’s vehicle? For the topic of the post, YES The article was specifically about laws allowing a JUDGE to add a device to a specific convicted person's vehicle for a limited time. OF COURSE there is the slippery-slope argument you describe very well. The slippery slope danger is real, and I've stated that I oppose any motion down it. But I also oppose posts which wrongly scr…

With encryption backdoors, you only need two steps, and the second step is on the honor system, which is why people resist the first step. With this, it looks like there are more than two steps, but given that all future cars will effectively support this in software and will be internet connected such that it can be enabled remotely, we really only have two steps. It only appears to be multiple steps because older c…

That is also making a lot of assumptions that all cars will soon be mandatory internet-connected.

I expect there will be a LOT of push-back on that one, and there are still also many areas without cell coverage. Would you expect all cars would stop running without cell coverage?

Here's at least one entirely new car, with Bezos' backing, that AFAICT will have zero internet connection. [0] Considering the cost trajectory of cars, and the general distaste for surveillance, a low-cost car without those add-ons may be very popular.

And, AGAIN, the point was entirely about the GP post's massive exaggerations, not about a general implementation which I strongly oppose. You and GP evidently think it is OK to exaggerate and speak like every bad thing related to the topic has already happened; I think at least some adherence to the facts makes sense. It seems we'll have to agree to disagree. Particularly since we do seem to agree on the broader topic that general implementation of speed limiters is awful and to be avoided

[0] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a64564869/2027-slate-truck...

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by const_cast »

Aurornis wrote: post #721
CalRobert wrote: post #706

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What's remarkable is that we already effectively banned kids from playing outside and drivers still kill many of the few that still try.

As a parent, these comments are always so weird to read. Kids play outside, including unsupervised still. Kids getting hit by drivers is statistically very rare (though no less tragic) Suggesting that “many” of the kids who “try” to play outside get killed by cars is the kind of conclusion you can only arrive at by living life through hyperbolic headlines or the dramatic evening news.

I think you're just out of touch with reality. Maybe the fact you're a parent has tainted your view - some type of bias against admitting things might suck.

When I was a kid, the amount of kids outside was easily orders of magnitude more. Things I did as a kid are pretty much unthinkable now. I mean, as young as 7 I was riding my bike miles away.

It's not that things are worse now, it's that enough kids died that newer parents are much more cautious.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by const_cast »

kubectl_h wrote: post #779
skyyler wrote: post #732

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You missed the point, which is that many roads that used to be easily crossable roads are now 4-8 lane stroads. Yes, people didn't let their kids play near freeways in the past. But now a much larger number of streets are freeway-style roads.

Is this a California or Texas thing or something? The hyperbole in this thread is wild to see.

Texas checking in here - yes, it's Texas, and no, it's not hyperbole.

Don't know what rinky dink town you're from, but here most roads are 6-8 lanes across. Yes, that includes in our small cities. They're essentially highways but with signal lights. Go to Arlington, Grand Prairie, Richardson, Fort Worth, Roanoke, Southlake, you name it, and it's just roads after roads like this. Trying to cross them is extremely dangerous.

Stroads is a correct description.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by const_cast »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #759
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #711

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>there is a perception among many of lower socioeconomic status I don't think this is it at all. In the US we don't enforce social norms. The public transit experience in the US is dominated by an extreme antisocial minority ("crazy" bums, drug users, bluetooth speakers, etc). This is the true killer of public transit in America.

It's the killer of public transit everywhere . The ability to avoid such people is a huge benefit of individual transportation. Nobody sane wants to be subjected to stuff like that. Anyone saying otherwise is virtue signalling.

In many places it's just not a big enough problem. And, either way, it's a perception issue usually.

I mean yeah, subway homeless people make you feel unsafe. But you're not actually unsafe. Just by taking the subway you're a few orders of magnitude less likely to die during your journey.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by kube-system »

hcurtiss wrote: post #767
jollyllama wrote: post #760

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It does not require manufacturers to pre-install them, and it does not use the electronics built into the car. It sounds analogous to the breathalyzer devices that are an option for judges in some jurisdictions. There's already a law on the books requiring breathalyzers in all new cars by next year: https://live959.com/law-mandates-mass-cars-to-have-breathaly... Presumably, anti-speeding tech will be made mandatory…

Wait -- I have to pay for a breathalizer in my new vehicle because other people can't follow the law? That's BS. I don't drink alcohol and I hate everything about this.

Uninsured/underinsured motorist insurance are literally line items on my car insurance bill.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by dheera »

urban_winter wrote: post #357
Animats wrote: post #348

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> In fact, most cars lie to you about the speed - reporting a speed slightly faster than reality. It's a cover-your-ass measure for the car manufacturers because it's illegal to sell a car (in the US, at least) where the speedometer is inaccurate in the other direction, that is, reading slower than actual speed. Haven't seen that in a long time. Everything I've driven in recent years has a speedometer speed that matc…

My 5-year-old Volvo reports 73-74 mph when GPS tells me that I'm exactly at 70mph. Similarly 21 mph when GPS says 20.

If the law set the speed limit as the hard boundary, with hard punishments for driving at 70, everyone else would drive at 65, occasionally getting close to 68-69.

If the reasonable speed for a road is 70, the legal hard limit could be at 75 to be considerate of this effect. But make 75 the actual hard limit with $200 fines for hitting 75, $1000 fines for hitting 80, and jail time for hitting 85. Make it almost certain to be caught if you hit these hard limits.

I guarantee you fewer people would die on the roads if this is the way things worked.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #821
1970-01-01 wrote: post #765

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And how long until having a 500 HP muscle car is a demonstration of willful intent to speed? It's a slippery argument.

> how long until having a 500 HP muscle car is a demonstration of willful intent to speed? Acceleration != speed. Muscle cars accelerate fast. Disabling a speed governor ordered to be installed by a judge is as black and white as it gets.

Then why is a radar detector also verboten in VA? Radar != speeding
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