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Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

ethagknight wrote: post #782
lucasyvas wrote: post #490

Because there are bigger fish to fry, I think people don’t appreciate the sheer cost of the system rebuild that will be required for security reasons later. There’s absolutely no telling what additional software has been installed alongside existing, or which systems have been modified that would require audit. Purging this will be an absolute fucking nightmare to the American taxpayer. This may turn into one of the…

This is a very dramatic take on something you (and many others) are making extremely broad presumptions upon. It’s clear that DOGE is reviewing payment data and has the same access to various components of the US Govt that Obama’s US Digital Services, created to rebuild the ACA website but also provisioned for a number of other digital services. DOGE has the same access to services that USDS had. USDS was praised for…

>It’s clear that DOGE is reviewing payment data and has the same access to various components of the US Govt that Obama’s US Digital Services

How is that clear? What proof do you have of this other than Musk's word?

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by jajko »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #638

Another very negative long-term effect of all of this is how is the government going to recruit talent in the future? How many people, who have good prospects elsewhere, are going to work for a government agency -- usually a lower pay -- to put up with shit like this that doesn't even happen in industry? Would you? Sure there are sometimes mass layoffs that are handled pretty badly in industry, but not these Gestapo-…

This is basic dictatorshipping, I think US folks need to refresh skills so common in rest of the world.

You want obedient lackeys as #1 rule, it means reasonably little threat and no resistance to molding from above. Competences are sometimes even frowned upon. Look at how potus literally demands that others lick his boots to keep it polite.

This is how russians run their dictatorships for example, including those they exported elsewhere under their iron hand / military bases. Talking from first hand experience.

Of course that part of the system is very ineffective. Regardless of what you think about government and its bureaucracy, that fascist manchild aint gonna end up with success story here, he lacks (any genuine) emotional intelligence to understand underlying reasons. This isnt technical problem to solve where he sometimes excells.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by jsbisviewtiful »

ttpphd wrote: post #794
ethagknight wrote: post #782

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very dramatic take on something you (and many others) are making extremely broad presumptions upon. It’s clear that DOGE is reviewing payment data and has the same access to various components of the US Govt that Obama’s US Digital Services, created to rebuild the ACA website but also provisioned for a number of other digital services. DOGE has the same access to services that USDS had. USDS was praised for…

This is wrong and naive. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/doge-dives-into-core-na... "DOGE currently has far deeper and far more extensive access to U.S. government computer systems — and is far deeper into the national security space — than is conceivably necessary for anything related to their notional brief and goals."

> This is wrong and naive.

I am honestly shocked at the amount of wrong or naive takes being posted on HN as of late.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by matteoraso »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #625

What should happen, and nobody is talking about this, is the USA is severely downgraded in its overall credit rating due to an unhinged and ongoing "fire, aim, ready" self-audit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_governme...

I was thinking the same thing. If this even slightly jeopardizes America's ability to pay off its debt, the entire world will suffer. Something that occurred to me from talking to Americans online is that most of them don't realize just how much soft power they have across the world. I really feel that China becoming the global superpower might end up becoming the least bad option if America keeps destabilizing.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by fazeirony »

lucasyvas wrote: post #788
ethagknight wrote: post #782

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very dramatic take on something you (and many others) are making extremely broad presumptions upon. It’s clear that DOGE is reviewing payment data and has the same access to various components of the US Govt that Obama’s US Digital Services, created to rebuild the ACA website but also provisioned for a number of other digital services. DOGE has the same access to services that USDS had. USDS was praised for…

It is not dramatic at all. Because of the very fact it's contentious, a rebuild will be undertaken by the next government to not trust it. It's an absolute guarantee regardless of how any one side feels about it. I and many people would argue to rebuild it based on the lack of transparency we have seen. There are enough people that feel that way that a rebuild is inevitable, regardless if you end up right. The positi…

i appreciate the optimism that there will be something left to actually have this 'do-over'...

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by amarcheschi »

ethagknight wrote: post #782
lucasyvas wrote: post #490

Because there are bigger fish to fry, I think people don’t appreciate the sheer cost of the system rebuild that will be required for security reasons later. There’s absolutely no telling what additional software has been installed alongside existing, or which systems have been modified that would require audit. Purging this will be an absolute fucking nightmare to the American taxpayer. This may turn into one of the…

This is a very dramatic take on something you (and many others) are making extremely broad presumptions upon. It’s clear that DOGE is reviewing payment data and has the same access to various components of the US Govt that Obama’s US Digital Services, created to rebuild the ACA website but also provisioned for a number of other digital services. DOGE has the same access to services that USDS had. USDS was praised for…

But this time we're dealing with a malicious actor on one's end. And I say malicious, because in all honesty I can't justify someone spewing lies continuously while holding a public charge without being malicious

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by polski-g »

skizm wrote: post #665
insane_dreamer wrote: post #638

Another very negative long-term effect of all of this is how is the government going to recruit talent in the future? How many people, who have good prospects elsewhere, are going to work for a government agency -- usually a lower pay -- to put up with shit like this that doesn't even happen in industry? Would you? Sure there are sometimes mass layoffs that are handled pretty badly in industry, but not these Gestapo-…

I think that is part of the point. "As hire As. Bs hire Cs." A-tier folks want to work with the best, B-tier folks want to work with lackeys that will do their bidding. It's pretty clear there's no A-tier folks in charge at the moment.

If you've ever worked on a government contract, you would know there are not and have never been A's on the government side.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by dtquad »

phreeza wrote: post #823
nerdponx wrote: post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "I don't mind, I have nothing to hide" people are cheering this on. They don't know or care about any of the things you just said.

I'm not so sure there is complete overlap, there were plenty of pro national security democrats.

You can be pro national security and pro privacy.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by pas »

polski-g wrote: post #847
skizm wrote: post #665

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that is part of the point. "As hire As. Bs hire Cs." A-tier folks want to work with the best, B-tier folks want to work with lackeys that will do their bidding. It's pretty clear there's no A-tier folks in charge at the moment.

If you've ever worked on a government contract, you would know there are not and have never been A's on the government side.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43094283

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by cryptonector »

lucasyvas wrote: post #490

Because there are bigger fish to fry, I think people don’t appreciate the sheer cost of the system rebuild that will be required for security reasons later. There’s absolutely no telling what additional software has been installed alongside existing, or which systems have been modified that would require audit. Purging this will be an absolute fucking nightmare to the American taxpayer. This may turn into one of the…

The system was almost certainly already so-accessible.
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