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In Texas the HOA can fuck off because you have a statutory right to have up to six hens in your backyard.
That's great. Which statue is it?
Oh crap. I thought it had passed in the previous term, but apparently not.
Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?
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Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?
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This hypothesis (eggs causing high triglycerides) was disproven in randomized controlled trials. The main cause is refined carbohydrates and insulin resistance.
I wasn't implying high trigs. I don't think anyone today associates eggs with high trigs. However eggs are high in a) Sat Fat b) Cholesterol. Sat Fats cause increased LDL, and while dietary Cholesterol for many folks doesn't cause a rise in LDL, for some people who tend to be hyperabsorbers, it does. So the knee-jerk comment that gets added anytime someone cautions about a high-egg diet isn't very accurate. I very po…
eggs aren't that high in saturated fat. they're less than a third of total fats.
Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?
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I wasn't implying high trigs. I don't think anyone today associates eggs with high trigs. However eggs are high in a) Sat Fat b) Cholesterol. Sat Fats cause increased LDL, and while dietary Cholesterol for many folks doesn't cause a rise in LDL, for some people who tend to be hyperabsorbers, it does. So the knee-jerk comment that gets added anytime someone cautions about a high-egg diet isn't very accurate. I very po…
eggs aren't that high in saturated fat. they're less than a third of total fats.
3 eggs have nearly 5gms of saturated fat. For most people their total sat fat intake should be within 20gms everyday. And most people don't have just boiled eggs, there is plenty of butter involved.
Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?
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I've had chickens for probably 15 years now, starting with 3 and ending up with about 20 (mixture of hybrids, pedigrees and rescued battery/farmed hens) and 2 geese. This happens a lot with chickens. Chickens are a gateway drug to more chickens. If you have a few chickens, they take about as much looking after as a rabbit - keep their food and water topped up, and clean them out once a week. I agree that you won't ma…
I have two geese as well—have you found they help against predators? Anecdotally, we've had no predators steal any chickens since we added them (though a coyote got some goose tail feathers at first), though our neighbors down the street have been decimated by foxes. Never considered the ROI, but I built a big walk-in coop for maybe $200 in materials. Think that'd pay off with the current price of eggs, if we sold th…
The geese we put to bed every night, and let out in the morning so they are generally locked away when a fox would come. A friend of ours has about 15 geese and pretty sure they have lost goslings to foxes.
They good at deterring delivery drivers though, and generally alerting people.
Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?
#845The egg price is due to the H5N1 epidemics, which also means that this is the least indicated time to get a backyard chicken. The US should have dropped battery caging, like the rest of the world did 15 years ago.
California, which dropped battery caging years ago, has been on of the states most hard hit. The real reason is that the US doesn't vaccinate it's chickens, which it mostly doesn't do because if it did, it couldn't export to several countries.
Only France in Europe vaccinate its chicken yet we still have normal prices. This is not the issue but merely the fact that 70% of chicken in the USA are battery caged plus a protectionist market that does not allow imports.
Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?
#846The egg price is due to the H5N1 epidemics, which also means that this is the least indicated time to get a backyard chicken. The US should have dropped battery caging, like the rest of the world did 15 years ago.
I wonder if spreading the chickens out to all the backyards would prevent spread due to lower density, or if you'd get spread via wild animals anyhow and now it's just impossible to contain and more people are at direct risk.
It certainly would but still it would have to be a controlled and regulated environment. I honestly would not want to have chicken near me in this particular moment especially considering who is the secretary of health. The USA really are playing with fire.
Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?
#847The egg price is due to the H5N1 epidemics, which also means that this is the least indicated time to get a backyard chicken. The US should have dropped battery caging, like the rest of the world did 15 years ago.
> The egg price is due to the H5N1 epidemic No, it's not. But that's what the egg companies want you to believe. In truth the number of egg laying hens is only down about 5% total since the beginning of the epidemic.
Oh FFS the conspiracy of the egg companies it's a new low.
160M chickens were found affected so far. More culled.
https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/data-map-comm...
Most chicken in the USA are raised for meat. There are only 300 millions that are raised for eggs laying so those numbers are staggering.
Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?
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With “it’s better for yourself” I’m not just referring to nutrition. Animal agriculture is devastating for the world, including the environment around you. Also I think for most (dare I say ‘well informed’) people it would be an ethical relieve to stop consuming eggs and other animal products. And yes: there are (nutritional) concerns around eggs; for example concerning salmonella, cholesterol and saturated fats. Alt…
I will dig into the meta a bit here, because both it, and one of your points is interesting. When I read things like "animal agriculture being devastating for the world including the environment", it rings true, and makes me want to dig further, support this any way I can etc. The conflation with the (IMO hella sus) health arguments makes me question the judgment and intent of the writer, and second-guess my initial…
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I'll consider your point. Although, just like a few other responses here it has the smell of a red herring to it, by shifting the focus from a inconvenient message to the form of that message.
Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?
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There was a medical student who ate 720 eggs in a month and his blood test numbers actually improved. The idea that consumption of large numbers of eggs is unhealthy was never true.
n=1
n=0 for those who had health problems from eating eggs exclusively. My grandparents were among those who ate eggs exclusively in the past when money was tight and they were fine too. n=1 is patently false. That said, n=1 is all that you need to falsify the idea that something is always bad for you.
Also, the remarks people make about having “too many” eggs are such that you would think eating a large quantity of eggs would be the equivalent of ingesting arsenic, which is provably false with n=1. You only need 1 counter example to prove a universally quantified statement as false.
There was a historical situation involving tomatoes where people believed that they were inherently poisonous (because of past incidents of lead poisoning due to the tomato acid interacting with the lead in pewter plates). As I heard, one man observed that horses ate raw tomatoes without problems, so he had ate a tomato raw and was not poisoned, proving that they were not poisonous contrary to popular thought.
A more recent such case occurred at CSHL involving mm294 bacteria, where one of the research scientists licked a petrie dish containing mm294 bacteria to demonstrate that they were benign. I had heard the story as an intern at their DNA LC west years later. Some people initially expected him to become ill, but the matter had been accepted as settled in favor of the strain being benign when time passed and he did not. This is presumably why their education branch where I had been an intern used that strain to teach genetics to children (as they presumably believed that the children could not harm themselves by ingesting it should they breach laboratory protocols).
That said, the advice against eggs seems to be a relic of the highly debunked food pyramid, which catered to commercial interests rather than public welfare. I did not believe the health care providers who insisted on following the food pyramid in the 90s and history has shown them to be wrong. I will not believe remarks against eggs when they are contrary to actual empirical evidence. I have history on my side on this.
Re: Egg prices are soaring. Are backyard chickens the answer?
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What are you referring to? Sure, chicken nuggets made mostly of breast or other muscle flesh exist , but you can bet your buns the majority of frozen nuggets are mostly ground skin and mechanically separated meat. In the United States, mechanically separated poultry has been used in poultry products since 1969, after the National Academy of Sciences found it safe.
Chicken nuggets are primarily chicken muscle tissue, end of story. Yes they can include mechanically separated chicken, which is basically a fancy name for saying they scraped all the meat off the bones. But that isn't "mostly skin and cartilage", it's meat. There may be trace amounts of cartilage and small amounts of skin in it, but they are nowhere near the main components. If you're still not sure, just look at th…
https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/what-are-chicken-nuggets-...
Seriously, do you think researchers are wrong on this?