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Post by andsoitis »

elzbardico wrote: post #181

This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries. Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content. Will it…

> widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content.

As of January 2025, the countries with the most TikTok users are:

Indonesia: Has the most active users with 157.6 million

United States: 120.5 million

Brazil: 105.2 million

Mexico: 77.5 million

Vietnam: 65.6 million

Pakistan: 62.0 million

Philippines: 56.1 million

Russian Federation: 56.0 million

Thailand: 50.8 million

Bangladesh: 41.1 million

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by insane_dreamer »

jmyeet wrote: post #319
elzbardico wrote: post #181

This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries. Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content. Will it…

First, I still don't think the ban will actually happen. The current administration will punt the issue to the next and Trump has already signaled he wants to save Tiktok, whatever that means. That might be by anointing a buyer that he personally is an investor in. Tiktok may choose to still shutter in the US rather than being forcibly sold. But there's a biger issue than loss of American content should this come to…

More like Trump can use it as a bargaining chip with China.

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Post by Waterluvian »

elzbardico wrote: post #181

This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries. Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content. Will it…

I think it’s going to be a lesson to Americans about just how little their content actually matters to the other 96% of the world.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by qingcharles »

_2d30 wrote: post #390
throwaway199956 wrote: post #342

But why didn't Supreme Court find the first ammendment arguments compelling? As per first ammendment it is legal and protected to print/distribute/disseminate even enemy propaganda in the USA. Even at the height of cold war for example Soviet Publications were legal to publish, print and distribute in the USA. What changed now? Even a judge, Sotomayer said during this case that yes, the Government can say to someone…

Because there is no "TikTok" ban and never has been. There is a "TikTok cannot be controlled by the CCP" law. TikTok is completely legal under the law as long as they divest it. However, in a great act of self-incrimination, Bytedance (de facto controlled by CCP) has decided to not divest and would rather shutdown instead.

Selling TikTok means handing over the source code for the algorithm.

I can see, say, Coca-Cola refusing to sell a local subsidiary if they would be forced to hand over their recipe.

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Post by qingcharles »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #672
toddmorey wrote: post #643

Anyone here who's not a TikTok content creator reasonably upset about losing access to the platform? Can you tell me why it will sting for you? I was really surprised that my daughters (avid teenage TikTok users) are much more relieved than mad. Both said they wasted too much time on TikTok and were hoping life will now feel better. Seems the very thing that made the platform sticky puts it in a guilty pleasure categ…

I have a lot of Japanese friends and travel between Japan and here frequently. TikTok is huge in Japan and a lot of my For You Page is content trending in Japanese spheres. I don't live in Japan so being able to plug into Japanese media is a very, very convenient thing. I'll probably continue trying to use the app if possible since I mostly connect with Japanese content, but I will say there's also a fun world of Jap…

I second this. I spend a few minutes each evening watching random people out and about in Japan, Korea, China as it is fascinating to learn about foreign cultures in such a direct way. Just yesterday I learned about the palm scanners some stores in China have as a payment system.

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Post by kshacker »

qingcharles wrote: post #846

Nobody is talking about music? For the last 4 years, TikTok has been my primary music discovery engine. Probably is for a large chunk of users. What effect will this have on the music industry?

And just yesterday I saw a news where UK had best music revenue ever, and I do not think US is published but first 1/2 of US also had record sales. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/articles/cn858xgng2vo)

And I agree, even for me, music discovery is (was) via TikTok.

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Post by saysjonathan »

qingcharles wrote: post #846

Nobody is talking about music? For the last 4 years, TikTok has been my primary music discovery engine. Probably is for a large chunk of users. What effect will this have on the music industry?

I’m hoping https://www.albumoftheyear.org/ takes off

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Post by quickthrowman »

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #721
elzbardico wrote: post #181

This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries. Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content. Will it…

> Will we see internationalized Chinese content dominating it? This is a weird fantasy, but it brings up an interesting point. The complete lack of Chinese influence on global pop culture. Especially when compared to Japan or Korea, countries with a fraction of the population but many, many times the influence. I wish the CCP didn't wall off their citizens from the rest of the world in the name of protecting their ow…

The only good Chinese language films were all filmed in Hong Kong, directed by people like Wong Kar-Wai. In the Mood for Love is widely considered one of the greatest films ever made.

Chinese cultural (and censor) sensibilities are why big budget US movies are almost universally boring and terrible these days. Authoritarian societies aren’t exactly known for creating good art.

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Post by HamsterDan »

MrPapz wrote: post #511

If the youth of the rest of the world keeps using it, the US culture attention will be replaced by something else. This might be another step in the US journey of losing their role as a superpower nation to become just another country.

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