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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#841
To provide a little perspective on what seems to be an fruitless exercise in Democratic Party political apologetics, let’s remind ourselves that the smart, dumb, rich, poor, wise, foolish, old, young, native born, foreign born, male, female American people have spoken in a generally free and fair election. As they did when they elected Biden in 2020, Trump in 2016, Obama in 2012…. Whether you agree with the results or not, that process is a beautiful thing. Think of the billions on this planet who aren’t afforded that luxury.

There is a phrase that took root in the American legal subculture a while back: “come to Jesus meeting”. It refers to a meeting where a lawyer explains to their client the realities of their situation with the expectation that presentation of the cold facts and current climate will “recalibrate their expectations” and move them on a new path…normally to settlement and no further wasting of the Court’s time. The Democratic Party would do well to consider having such public meetings with elder statesmen types from both sides of the aisle. The US is best served when both political parties are strong and healthy.

Paradoxically, it’s harder for the Republicans to do that now, since they are winning. Normally requires a hard slap in the face…as has occurred for Democrats.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#842

I was told Charli XCX, Chappell Roan, and Ethel Cain would deliver this for the Dems months ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41020940 and that Musk's actions wouldn't matter. More recently Joe Rogan

Women endorsing Kamala was expected for obvious reasons. And I guess mocking women after the loss should've also been expected for... obvious reasons

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#843

It's the economy, stupid: -Inflation is not prices; it is the rate of change in prices. Low inflation doesn't imply low prices. -Aggregate statistics don't necessarily explain individual outcomes. The Dems failed on this count massively, and have, for maybe the last 40 years, which is about the amount of time it took for my state to go from national bellwether (As goes Ohio, so goes the nation) to a reliably red stat…

Inflation is the devaluation of currency. Lowering purchasing power.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#845

Do we need to allow parties to put up multiple candidates and implement ranked choice voting? would that help us with outcomes like these?

Your position is "the position of the majority is wrong."

No we don't need to change the system on the basis that it leads to outcomes you want.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#846

For many this ended up with "Have i felt better over the past 4 years" . Imagine coming out of covid, without a recession, only to be hit with inflation (both parties to blame) and sky high interest rates coupled with all other stuff like illegal border crossing to lack of majority support from Women to Harris to Harris being a silent VP for 4 full years and thrown to lime light.

But that focuses on the person of the candidate. When you think that's important, there are a few remarks to be made about Trump. So why do you think this matters? The 15M missing voters?

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#847
post #260

Something I've been wondering lately is how big of a blind spot I have from being habitually online. Like, I'll read the news, and I'll read political discussions on HN and r/politics and r/conservative and Twitter, and I'll try to get a sense of what everyone is thinking, but unfortunately I don't think that's possible. The posters on these sites all have one thing in common: they're into politics and current events…

Apparently searches for "Did Joe Biden drop out?" spiked yesterday. That's a level of unawareness that is difficult to comprehend.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#848

An unsurprising result. There is a worrying global rise in right-wing popularism and this is part of it. We can look forward to more war, more crime, more suffering, more scapegoating of minorities. This is the start of a long decline that ends in death and destruction. That Harris and Trump were apparently the best that the US political machine could spew up as choices to run one of the most powerful countries in th…

>We can look forward to more war

Do you really believe the Dems would do less war? They are literally siding with Dick Cheney. They were always very pro-war (eg. Hilary Clinton) but now they don't even hide it and they are embracing the whole "security through strength" and "escalation to de-escalate" in the middle east.

If you look back at the past few presidency (incl. Obama), Trump was far more peaceful. He was the first president in a very long time to not invade a new country. I don't think he does it out of love or empathy, I suspect he just thinks it's a waste of money, but the end result is the same.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#849

Parties basically switched sides this election. From 2008 to now: - Pro war party: Repubs -> Dems - Dick Cheney party: Repubs -> Dems - Elitist party: Repubs -> Dems - Working class party: Dems -> Repubs - Pro free speech party: Dems -> Repubs - Bigger spending party: Dems -> Repubs - Skeptical of large corps: Dems -> Repubs There are some issues where they haven't switched (eg. abortion)

Bill Clinton didn't have major wars, but did have wars. Bush Jr had major wars and the dems fought like hell against that, but then Obama had a bunch of wars and kept one major war going. Trump didn't have new wars and insisted on ending the one major war (which didn't happen until Biden). Biden has a major war. Harris got the endorsement of the Cheneys and some Bushes.

There was no party switch. Both parties love the money flow that wards create.

Trump is not a party; he's the only one against the wars.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#850
An open mind is one of the most valuable qualities a person can have. For some reason, most people are unable to fake being open minded when discussing politics so it's a good litmus test.

So consider the following perspective. We've endured Trump once, with mediocre results. The world didn't end, and meanwhile he did not accomplish much of what he promised while putting on a clown show. But this time, I'm optimistic about the potential for our country for the first time. Not because of Trump, but because of some of his likely cabinet appointments. Elon Musk in particular.

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, our government is headed for a debt crisis. Things will get slowly worse (inequality will increase while the government devalues the dollar to service its debt), but eventually, the crisis will come to a head and the government will be unable to service its debts without a massive devaluation ala Argentina, Weimar Republic, etc. We got a small taste of this after the pandemic response.

There is no conceivable way that an ordinary politician from either party could dismantle or even slow the growth of the immense bureaucratic rot bleeding our country dry. Nor can Donald Trump, as evidenced by his failure to "drain the swamp" last time.

But one of the few people who could is likely to get a major government efficiency appointment.

That's what I'm optimistic about. Not Trump, but the fact that he is now surrounded with competent people with good ideas. Prior to him being elected, a true national debt reckoning was inevitable at some point in my lifetime. Now, there is some non-negligible chance of pushing it past my lifetime or reversing it altogether.

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