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Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by viridian »

worik wrote: post #464
tim333 wrote: post #429

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Preventing people from working if they didn't get a covid vaccine was a bit heavy handed. And saying it was likely made in a lab in China is kind of censored to this day. I think partly because the science community doesn't want to take flack for doing risky stuff and killing millions.

> Preventing people from working if they didn't get a covid vaccine was a bit heavy handed. Nobody did that. They prevented you from working with me Nobody here or there was forced to get a vaccine. But if you refused it was right to shun you Freedom is about more than the individual. We as a group should be free from the consequences of individual actions

This is misinformation. My employer mandated it for all employees, and my entire IT organization 100% WFH, coming in wasn't even an option.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by matthewdgreen »

mike_hearn wrote: post #691
matthewdgreen wrote: post #382

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The article mentions that there are two drugs that resulted from this research. One of them failed a trial recently. Nobody knows if this fraud means that the drug never could have worked, or if this was just bad luck. So yes: people do measure real-world impact. It's just that it takes a very long time and there are plenty of confounding factors, since even non-fraudulent drug research can fail.

That's true for the rare case that something turns into a professionally run and controlled trial (incidentally there's evidence for many published clinical trials also being fake). But very little research output is ever tested that way. Most doesn't even claim it could have real world impact in principle.

What you're observing is that most research results don't have much impact. The ones that get replicated are definitionally the ones that matter the most, since they lead to controlled trials. In principle this is a pretty reasonable way to allocate limited resources.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by lanstin »

lanstin wrote: post #555
jongjong wrote: post #456

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That's a good one. In my experience, corruption is almost always disguised as neglect and incompetence. Corrupt people meticulously cover their tracks by coming up with excuses to show neglect; some of them only accept bribes that they can explain away as neglect where they have plausible deniability. It doesn't take much brainpower to do well, just malicious intent and knowing the upper limits. IMO, Hanlon's razor "…

Barry Apppelman, for a long time the boss of all the Unix engineers, said malice was preferable to incompetence because malice would take breaks.

I don't seem to be able to edit this anymore, but there is a grievous gap in the writing: "Barry Appelman, for a long time the boss of all the Unix engineers at AOL."

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by mike_hearn »

jboggan wrote: post #721
mike_hearn wrote: post #402

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Coding errors are a really common source of fraud unfortunately. You did the right thing but the vast majority don't. Given a choice between admitting the grant money was wasted, the exciting finding isn't real, everyone who cited your work should retract their papers or just covering it up, the pressure to do the latter is enormous. During COVID I talked to a guy who used to do computational epidemiology. He came to…

>the COVID model that drove lockdowns in the UK and USA was nothing but bugs I would love a source but I believe this given my experience with coding standards in the computational biology space, especially given that some of my own previous work and teaching touched on those models, and I couldn't believe any of the models that were publicized because they were at odds with what I thought the scientific consensus wa…

For a source, I wrote this a few years ago:

https://dailysceptic.org/2020/05/06/code-review-of-fergusons...

It was based primarily on the model's own github bug tracker.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by consf »

Qwertious wrote: post #802
consf wrote: post #798

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Science, at its core, is supposed to be a method of systematically seeking truth through rigorous experimentation, observation, and reasoning. When intentional dishonesty enters the equation, it undermines the entire purpose of the scientific endeavor

Science, at it's core, is figuring out how to make better TVs and phones with longer battery life. Truth-seeking should be done during your lunch break. If you have one.

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Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by jongjong »

czl wrote: post #596
jongjong wrote: post #456

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That's a good one. In my experience, corruption is almost always disguised as neglect and incompetence. Corrupt people meticulously cover their tracks by coming up with excuses to show neglect; some of them only accept bribes that they can explain away as neglect where they have plausible deniability. It doesn't take much brainpower to do well, just malicious intent and knowing the upper limits. IMO, Hanlon's razor "…

> On the topic, I subscribe to Grey's law "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice" so I see idiots as malicious. In the very best case, idiots in positions of power are malicious for accepting the position and thus preventing someone more competent from getting it. It really doesn't matter what their intent is. Deep down, stupid people know that they're stupid but they let their emoti…

Yes this resonates.

I feel that stupidity is evil in the same way as that a shark might be perceived as evil. You could explain it away as "It's not their fault, it's in their nature, they don't know better" but if it's in their nature to cause people harm, if anything, it makes the label more applicable from my perspective.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by 0x7cfe »

dakiol wrote: post #363
clpm4j wrote: post #166

I'm not a researcher or academic, but when I think of roughly how long it takes me to do meaningful deep work and produce a project of any significance, I'm struck by the fact that his 800 papers isn't a red flag? Even if you allocate ~3 months per paper, that's over 200 years of work. Is it common for academics to produce research papers in a matter of days? From the article: Masliah appeared an ideal selection. The…

Similar to > Founder, CEO, and chief engineer of SpaceX. CEO and product architect of Tesla, Inc. Owner, CTO and Executive Chairman of X (formerly Twitter). Founder of The Boring Company, X Corp., and xAI. Co-founder of Neuralink, OpenAI, Zip2, and X.com (part of PayPal) It can only be a fraud.

Yet, he is able to answer most of deep technical questions related to his technologies, right on the spot. And his answers are well thought, concise and factual, i.e. not the handwavy crap you can expect from a CEO of his scale.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by mistermann »

consteval wrote: post #837
mistermann wrote: post #289

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Your mind reading and soothsaying are perfectly rational though I suppose, it is only us conspiracy theorists who suffer from delusional cognition?

> it is only us conspiracy theorists who suffer from delusional cognition Of course not, but if you, say, think the Earth is flat you are delusional. That's just what it is, and I'm not gonna hand hold crazy people when I tell them they're crazy. The issue is when crazy people assimilate, or rather try to infiltrate, groups of educated skeptics. Now they all look crazy, and that's a problem.

And what of the much larger harm your kind causes to the world? Nothing a nice story can't wash clean I suspect, but then that doesn't stop the harm.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by mistermann »

consteval wrote: post #836
notheyarent wrote: post #779

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Nobody fucking cares about politics mate. People can’t breath with them on hot crowded city buses or for 9 hours straight when working. Your just a cuck who wore his face happy trying to justify his cowardice now to himself. Nobody else is interested in your shit ideas and theories

See, this is what I mean. People who take a skeptical approach to masks aren't doing it for scientific reasoning, they're doing it to avoid being a "cuck". This type of mentality actively discredits skeptics, because nobody wants to be lumped in with that. There're genuinely very smart people who were/are skeptical of many Covid policies, but unfortunately, they have to stand next to you. Which, of course, makes them…

> Which, of course, makes them look very stupid

Because of normative cognition, which you suffer from, and which is causing the planet to warm up.

No problem though, you carry on just as you are, no need for you and yours to improve yourselves.

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