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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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This would be like Telsa coming with new tech. Tesla / X-Twitter & Facebook / Meta are companies I will never financially support. They make money off propagating misinformation and their CEOs are not decent human-beings.

What misinformation does Tesla propagate

I think they're referring to Musk going off the deep end in general. There's also the whole "We'll have self driving cars in two years!" That they've been peddling for the last decade.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

I wish I didn't have to be so negative because these are cool, but it's Facebook. Surveillance and ad tech that cause brain rot are what they do for a living. At this point they could just sell versions of these products that aren't subsidized by evil, and they still choose not to do so. This means no matter how much they talk about the future of AI being open, no matter how nice their AR glasses are, I can't do business with them. Everything facebook does is burdened by being facebook and I for one am glad at least one demographic won't let them forget it.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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The haptic feedback you get from touching your thumb and forefinger to simulate a click is actually better than a button because it feels more organic and natural. Where it falls apart is not being able to feel yourself touching objects which nothing other than a full glove is going to be able to simulate. Controllers and rings provide no benefit over Apple's approach.

> Controllers and rings provide no benefit over Apple's approach. This is the problem with fanboi-ism... the hyperbole is so clearly false. Let me list the ways that controllers are better: - Typing/Chording - Cheaper - More efficient, no cameras pointing at things the user can't see. No continuous video processing. - No dead zones where the camera can't see. - Accuracy. For all but a few camera angles, Apple has to…

Users can just connect a ps5 controller to the Vision Pro, of course it's an extra expense but for Vision Pro buyers that's pretty much insignificant.

And all the sensors, cameras and superfast processing will still be needed for that immerse quasi AR simulated experience, so there are no cost savings there.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

> IIncredible amount of negativity here. It's FB. They're not popular. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, because I expect it will be absolutely stuffed with user surveillance.

I used to work with psychology researchers conducting experiments with wearable cameras. Anything involving human subjects needed IRB approval, informed consent, ethics review, etc.

But with essentially any piece of tech you use (not just FB), you check "I agree" on a document you'll never read and give the same data to a private company who will use it however they want. And they charge you for it.

Imagine if I told you a research organization decided to throw out all their ethics and start charging their research subjects to be experimented on, and that this was actually a really solid business model.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

> IIncredible amount of negativity here. It's FB. They're not popular. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, because I expect it will be absolutely stuffed with user surveillance.

And they'll likely drop support/updates for it quickly after release... These out of pocket devices are sunsetted faster than mobile phones, especially so because they require completely independent development teams that companies love to roll essential staff off of.

There have been so many attempts to make VR glasses that it's really not innovation at this point, it's just gimmicky throw-away pocket tech. Something far better to invent is a phone that can project on walls, or project a full-size keyboard onto a table for an easier writing experience.

Most of these companies are gutted by investors, and turned into profit machines... There are very few visionaries leading projects now, and huge hurdles with IP theft and related lawsuits that hold up most of the typical innovation, unless these companies come up with game changing ideas that focus less on pushing out ads, they're going to fail with micro-projects like this. VR glasses have been around for ages, none of what Zuckerberg demoed was revolutionary, gotta be honest about it.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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I for one, am extremely impressed. Yes, its a prototype, and the cost makes these nonviable for consumer use at the moment. But this is a glimpse of the future! I thought it'd be another ~decade until anyone was able to cram fully-functional, HoloLens-style AR device into a form factor this small, and here Facebook just went and did it!

It's crazy to me to see people in this thread calling this "bulky". It's literally the smallest this tech has ever been! Small enough to pass for actual glasses! It has a massively wider field of view than HoloLens, despite the HoloLens being like 10x bulkier! And they somehow managed to cram eye tracking and hand tracking into the thing on top of all that? This is literally the AR future science fiction has been envisioning for years, in real life, and yet this whole thread seems to be filled with nothing but cynicism!

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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The negativity goes both ways. I wonder if Mark Zuckerberg will think we're "dumb fucks" for buying this new gizmo.

My god, he said that when he was in college. What is it with this recently popular opinion that nobody is capable of changing for the better?

Changing for the better? Really? Facebook under Zuckerberg has done plenty of predatory things, such as track users across non-Facebook websites, create shadow profiles for people who don't even have accounts, conduct studies to try to make the platform as addictive as possible, and sold access to peoples' private messages revealed in the the infamous Cambridge Analytica scandal

When he called people "dumb fucks", he was including you

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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post #826

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

Trust Is Built in Drops and Lost in Buckets Negativity? Yes Facebook was negative for 20ish years and as a result of their behavior technical people don't like them. This is not something, we are wrong about even if your "negativity here" silently suggests that. You reminded me of something, please read this article: https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/leave_my_br... It is helpful for becoming negative t…

For me personally they build a lot of trust back with their work on llama. Also they do have capable software engineers. But hardware is a different thing. I am still burned by their handling of hardware support for Oculus devices. To such a degree that neither VR nor AR is of significant interest anymore, never mind developing software for such products.

That said, I was never a Facebook user. I do have an account and that is that, which I tend to not use in most browser session because of Facebook surveillance.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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I know meta (ha) discussions are frowned upon on HN, but I never really understood why, so here it goes: This link weights in 115MB. It loads a 30MB GIF for its hero image. That's from a company that was born on and from the Web. The people that brought you React.

The person who made this post is likely not an engineer and is more focused on content and public perception than load times.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Nobody here is talking about all the sensors and cameras this thing has and how easily it can be used for unsolicited audio/video recording? For me this is the biggest reason why Google Glass and other such projects never took off.

People in the west walk with cameras in their hands all day - both in public and in private. I doubt it gives anyone pause.

I don't think its comparable. phone cameras are assumed to be off, its pretty obvious when someone is recording a video, because he has to hold the phone in a very uncomfortable position.

Unless someone is actively pointing their phone at you, you can reasonably assume you're not being filmed.

this thing, on the other hand, is supposed to be on all the time. So having your head pointed in someone's general direction is going to be interpreted as "actively filming that person".

This could easily lead to getting punched in the face.

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