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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by TwentyPosts »

JohnMakin wrote: post #827
meepmorp wrote: post #632

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> The rules of war prohibit planting explosive in objects which are likely to be picked up by civilians. Yes, and? They didn't just leave a bunch of attractive nuisance bombs all over Lebanon; they specifically targeted devices provided by Hezbollah to coordinate activities which were meant to be carried around on their persons. That seems like the opposite of leaving them where civilians might pick them up.

Man if only we didn’t live in a global society where carrying electronic communication devices in non-combatant (aka civilian) settings was the norm, you’d maybe have a point here. Multiple children have been reported as killed. Do you think that may fall under the category of “indiscriminate?”

I don't think civilians regularly carry military-grade pagers.

And fwiw, I heard of two tragic cases of children dying, which sounds remarkably low to me so far. If this were truly indiscriminate, this number would be significantly higher and we would've heard of it by now.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by XajniN »

lukan wrote: post #528
nickff wrote: post #333

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It seems like the purpose was to disable enemy combatants, and prevent those combatants from striking Israel; which would be a legitimate and targeted strike. Your phrasing makes it seems like the explosives were targeted at damaging the restaurants and stores (along with, perhaps all the occupants), which would not be a legitimate and targeted strike.

Hezbollah has a political arm, and a military one. Both were targeted, but only the latter consists of combatants.

And they are both parts of a terrorist organization.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by XajniN »

JohnMakin wrote: post #827
meepmorp wrote: post #632

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The rules of war prohibit planting explosive in objects which are likely to be picked up by civilians. Yes, and? They didn't just leave a bunch of attractive nuisance bombs all over Lebanon; they specifically targeted devices provided by Hezbollah to coordinate activities which were meant to be carried around on their persons. That seems like the opposite of leaving them where civilians might pick them up.

Man if only we didn’t live in a global society where carrying electronic communication devices in non-combatant (aka civilian) settings was the norm, you’d maybe have a point here. Multiple children have been reported as killed. Do you think that may fall under the category of “indiscriminate?”

> Do you think that may fall under the category of “indiscriminate?”

It may not, because the number of civilian casualties was way too low for that.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by golergka »

nielsbot wrote: post #771
golergka wrote: post #736

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> OK, so this conversation is at the stage where killing terrorists is bad Talking about civilians here. Unless you're saying all Lebanese are terrorists? > I understand that israeli lives don't count for much in this conversation Based on...?

No, we are not talking about civilians. We are talking about Hezbollah members. Pagers and walkie talkies purchased by terrorist organisation do not end up in civilian hands.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by golergka »

shprd wrote: post #621
lelanthran wrote: post #529

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> Israel and Lebanon are not at war. Maybe not, but the combatants holding those devices were at war, no?

> but the combatants holding those devices were at war, no? The attack wasn't as targeted as you seem to think. It also hit health workers and bystanders. Approx half the casualties are civilians (including children). According to Humans rights watch: https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/09/18/lebanon-exploding-pagers... > Thousands of pagers simultaneously exploded across Lebanon and parts of Syria on September 17, 2024, r…

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by golergka »

lupusreal wrote: post #782
gryzzly wrote: post #768

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You should read up about the difference between Muslims and Islamists and how bad the Islamists are for Islamic communities themselves.

Let me guess, the ones you term to be "Islamists" are those who fight America or Israel. Most of the Afghan fighters who took shots at American soldiers weren't motivated by some sort of boogieman religious extremism. They were simply shooting at armed foreigners who invaded their country. They weren't terrorists by any reasonable definition of the but were called so anyway because they happened to be Muslim and dare…

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by golergka »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #834
hilux wrote: post #748

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That's literally true, and I don't mean that in a snarky way. Everyone who ever had a history class should know this. I'm disappointed that this thread has devolved into an angry and pointless political debate, when it could instead have been a cool technical exploration of how Mossad pulled it off. Come on, Hacker News!

What is “cool” in a conversation about how people were killed? This isn’t a movie. There is no novelty in death.

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by drivingmenuts »

Arch485 wrote: post #192

I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

They’re not terrorists because they’re on a side we support. At worst, we might consider them rebels, though that’s usually reserved for people in this hemisphere.

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Post by voidpointercast »

isr wrote: post #826
negativeonehalf wrote: post #756

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OK, also don't stand near Hamas fighters when they flagrantly violate international law and fight from designated humanitarian zones. (Obviously, voting in Hamas was a huge mistake, but Palestinians probably didn't expect Hamas to make that the last election. Unfortunately, you only need to elect a totalitarian government once.)

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Tunnel networks that emerge underneath hospitals?
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