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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by Rapzid »

tombert wrote: post #278
selfmodruntime wrote: post #3

My god. I really didn‘t think he would actually do it.

There was never any risk of me voting for Trump, but when I watched the debate it became abundantly clear that Biden could not win an election. He came off as an extremely frail old man and I had my doubts that he would survive the entire debate , let alone another four years in office. I'm a pretty left-leaning person and I find Trump to be an overwhelmingly unappealing idiot in general, but even I had to admit that…

It's an interesting case study in that people's perception of "who won" determines "who won".

However, if you change the criteria to "who had the most favorable impact on undecided voters" then apparently he lost? The news was Trump lost undecided voters from that debate..

So Trump won because everyone thinks he won(including me haha). But what did he win?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by Auracle »

bilekas wrote: post #22

This is wild. It seems super late in the game but okay. I'm super interested to see what will become of his chips act etc. The push he has tried to do to remove dependencies on TSMC is very forward thinking. Hopefully the next candidate takes up the momentum. Edit : Typo in TSMC

It’s weird to me that even after his debate performance people are still ascribing things to him directly. Clearly he’s just been stamping his name on the DNC agenda, though I definitely think the chips act is good in theory. We’ll see how it plays out in practice.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by mmaniac »

t43562 wrote: post #415
temporarely wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a "radical" idea: why not actually let the constituency of this party make the choice.

This sometimes turns out very badly - in the UK it led to "faster than a lettuce goes bad" Liz Truss for example. Conservative party members are an odd bunch. Labour also picked Jeremy Corbyn an election back. Ultimately the rest of the country didn't want to vote for him.

Labour's share of the vote hardly changed from 2024 to 2019; fewer people voted Labour in absolute numbers.

Labour's electoral prospects improved because of the implosion of the Tories, not anything they did.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by zerocrates »

shirro wrote: post #730
tiffanyh wrote: post #533

Putting politics aside … Why don’t they have an age limit on the president (or any elected office)? E.g., you must be younger than the average life expectancy (currently men: 73yo / female: 79) - while in office. https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

There is an argument that in a well functioning democracy voters should be able to decide who is qualified to lead them. It shouldn't matter if the person is 20 or 80 if they are able to fulfill their obligations and win the support of voters. With a well informed population and an electoral system that fairly represents voter preferences there should be no need for arbitrary rules.

Of course we already have the undemocratic age limit, just only on the low side.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by nradov »

babypuncher wrote: post #223
jjtheblunt wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how do you measure who is effective?

It's a very tough thing to objectively measure, but one metric we can point to is his ability to push a surprising amount of bipartisan legislation through an incredibly divided congress in just 4 years.

And yet the Congressional leaders who were in the room with Biden say that he was unable to communicate effectively and obviously senile. It's hard to believe that he had anything personally to do with getting legislation through.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/joe-biden-age-conditi...

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by Rapzid »

timbit42 wrote: post #627
yieldcrv wrote: post #309

Nancy Pelosi and the Obamas have not endorsed Kamala Trading the open primary news on the prediction markets, there’s a lot of liquidity finally!

I'm wondering if the Obamas haven't because Michelle hasn't ruled out running. She has said she wouldn't but that may have been to support Biden and now that there is an opening, she may take it.

Obama generally doesn't endorse early to avoid the optics of him putting his thumb on the scales. The DNC will likely go through the motions of a primary, so he'll wait for the right time.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by csomar »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #224
gumby wrote: post #32

One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

> Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer. On the contrary, the processes that anointed Hillary in 2016 and Biden round 2 in 2024 were exactly the kind of "well, it's this person's turn now" decisions that were bad, anti-democratic (lower-case d) choices previously. I'm not looking for a…

They'd rather lose the election than let someone with less seniority; and god forbid let any outsider into the circle. This happened with Hillary and will happen with Harris. It's the worst candidate to pick and a guaranteed loss against Trump.

The Democrats have got it all going for them; both in absolute numbers of votes and also of financial support. Life is interesting...

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by superposeur »

michelb wrote: post #846

Non-American here. Do you think will there ever be serious room for more parties in America?

No. Due to the game theory of the (non-parliamentary, winner-take-all) system, 2 is an equilibrium for number of parties. As in, smaller third parties are quickly “absorbed” into one of the two large parties to have any shot at winning.

As a consequence, the two parties are constantly changing, to the point that, for instance, the Republican Party of 2024 has little to do with the Republican Party of a decade ago.

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