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Are you saying that the massive multi-decade US sanctions had no impact?
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Cuba is the only socialist country currently. Maybe North Korea if you close one and a half eyes. China has long gone capitalist.
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Are you saying that the massive multi-decade US sanctions had no impact?
No: that free trade, low tariffs, and low export restrictions - free market principles - are implicitly championed by the supporters of insular, low freedom regimes that receive plaudits just because they had revolutionaries who promised free health care, university and the like, and they think these free trade principles happen in a vacuum.
I'm not pretending the USA doesn't meddle destructively or that Battista was some saint, but multidecade single party rule of Castro was an objective failure, along with the other Socialist regimes of the 20th century.
The track record sucks. Time to face facts.
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This is not a good explanation without also looking at who is unemployed. In Sweden, the unemployment is low:ish but it is basically non-existent with the natives, but very high among immigrants. So it might be true that crime correlates with unemployment rates, but Sweden does not have a high unemployment.
Canada has a much higher middle Eastern population than Sweden. Canada does not have a middle Eastern crime problem nor a middle Eastern unemployment problem. I imagine the biggest difference is that the core of this group has been in Canada for almost 50 years.
Much bigger per capita?
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> Which is the consequence of being sanctioned into oblivion for decades by the global hegemon or the consequence of having a clueless communist regime, since most communist countries do very poorly economically. Sanctions rarely give the whole picture.
Opinions like these are the reason why this “communism v capitalism” discussion never evolves beyond “them bad us good”. China is often the target of anti communist propaganda so how do you square that hole? 1# economy when looking at GDP(PPP) so your “analysis” falls short. Communist “regimes” often have to deal with outside interference from the “superior” capitalist system. OP’s point is extremely valid: Cuba does…
> China is often the target of anti communist propaganda so how do you square that hole? 1# economy when looking at GDP(PPP) so your “analysis” falls short.
And that primarily came to be when they cut back on the centrally planned economy and allowed more free markets. Whether they will allow that to continue is to be seen.
> Communist “regimes” often have to deal with outside interference from the “superior” capitalist system.
No, they generally don't, but they use that as propaganda. Eastern Germany built their "anti-fascist barricade" in Berlin officially to keep the evil Western infiltrators out, but their guns were turned to the east, and they murdered people for trying to escape from communism. The Soviet Union as a whole often attributed its failures to the meddling of the Imperialistic West, because admitting that you messed up is dangerous.
Communists always find a reason for their failure, and it's never them. That's really nothing new.
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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…
> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…
You may not know this, but the word Gypsy is considered an insult by the people you reference to. It's like the N-word for black people. The preferred name is Romani.
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Great observation. I’m European and I agree. We Europeans love to look down upon America when it comes to stuff like functional government, bicycle paths and public services, but wrt immigration we’re so far behind the US, it’s not even funny. > a path toward integration (as in, "to become American"; there is neither an equivalent aspiration nor option "to become French") We really need to copy this vibe wholesale fr…
One thing nearly every American agrees on is if you’re a citizen, you’re American. It’s actually an extremely welcoming and beautiful thing about this country.
Brown people love carrying around citizenship papers so that some Americans can be extremely welcoming.
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> I don't think the evidence definitively supports the conclusion that it's down to which group. I've lived besides Gypsy communities, and had during school Gypsy friends. Some were in the top of the class, and many were not. The big predictor for integration was not ethnicity but culture. Some have a culture that indoctrinated them to exploit and explicitly not integrate with the general population. How would you in…
> Some have a culture that indoctrinated them to exploit and explicitly not integrate with the general population. Can we be more specific please? I live in an European country and have not observed what you're describing here. There are individuals and groups that have tendencies like you describe, but the generalization doesn't hold in my eyes. I've had refugees in my family, inner circle, at workplaces and so on.…
Specifically I meant some groups of Gypsies from Eastern Europe, where I've seen this behavior. Most immigrants don't fall in this pattern though, like you describe.
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> After spending a couple weeks in Cuba it’s not hard to see why. Which is the consequence of being sanctioned into oblivion for decades by the global hegemon, much to the dislike of the entire rest of the world.
The US has been the the only major country sanctioning Cuba for a decade and a half, but the economy has only gotten worse. Sanctions may explain why they has lagged behind in tech. It doesn't explain why Cuba needs to import 70-80% of their food despite being a fertile tropical paradise. https://www.wfpusa.org/countries/cuba/#:~:text=Cuba%20import... .
> It doesn't explain why Cuba needs to import 70-80% of their food despite being a fertile tropical paradise.
There have been famine and starvation before the communists took power. I don't think Cuba has ever been fully food self-sufficient. Not many countries are.
Not to mention agriculture needs access to fertilizers which the sanctions make harder to get.
The more important part from your source:
> The largest island in the Caribbean, Cuba is one of the most successful in achieving the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs). Food-based social safety nets include a monthly food basket for the entire population, school feeding programs, and mother-and-child health care programs.
This is a big achievement.
Also it doesn't make sense to compare Cuba with the richest Western Countries. Communist revolutions tend to happen in the poorest countries of the world. Saying they are poor because of communism is confusing cause and effect.
If we compare Cuba to her peers in Latin America, especially Haiti, then Cuba is doing vastly, vastly better. Cuba is doing really well on the human development index, providing free health care and decent education for all.
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#849In southern europe we call this "Brain drain". It's a global phenomenon it seems, freedom of movement leads to contentration of productive forces to a few global cities, while the rest of the planet is increasingly deserted
The more important thing would seem to be what actually led to the immigration in the first place. In Cuba’s case it seems like widespread corruption and wholesale mismanagement by the government. This particular case doesn’t seem like an inevitable result of globalization but the natural reaction to a terrible government.
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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…
> It is not desirable to have separate ethnic groups who "share the same language, culture and faith" distinct from the mainstream. Why not? Mainstreams are temporary. The Romans shifted from pagans to christians in just a decade (officially speaking). The German speaking region of Belgium was annexed in the 1900s (now the country has 3 different official languages). The whole latin america started speaking Spanish l…
> and the mix is always better.
Mixing races or cultures is like mixing many colours: at the beginning you get interesting patterns, then a boring uniform brown.