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Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by remram »

grishka wrote: post #627
boochiboo12 wrote: post #21

Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

Your website does its own "improvements" to scrolling, thus on macOS it feels like I'm scrolling through molasses. It's repulsive even. Please, I beg you, just let the platform do its job. The tablet itself is interesting and impressive. I'm really curious to see that display in action.

I felt very weird reading this quote:

> We refuse to accept a future where our devices are exhausting, addictive, and distracting

on a website that has auto-playing videos sliding in from all sides, a background that changes color, and an inconsistent scrolling direction. If the OS is anything like the website, NO THANK YOU, for the very reasons they listed.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by coldtea »

manoweb wrote: post #456
card_zero wrote: post #306

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Elsewhere in this thread I see comments that mention "low distraction", "calmer", and something about iPhones frying kids' brains. This all looks like snobbery to me, based on the association of monochrome paper with novels and writing and intellectual pursuits. In the 18th century we were scared that novels would fry the brains of young women, but times have changed and now it's iPhones that are sinful, and monochro…

I agree with you that people tend to grossly overestimate the bad effects of a new technology. For example my kids cringe if they catch me or my wife looking at YouTube shorts. My son - that has complete, unlimited access to his gaming PC, installed a Firefox extension to block YouTube shorts. I think the problem will self-regulate at some point. However I made my iPhone black and white as suggested by others and I l…

>For example my kids cringe if they catch me or my wife looking at YouTube shorts. My son - that has complete, unlimited access to his gaming PC, installed a Firefox extension to block YouTube shorts. I think the problem will self-regulate at some point.

Kids might cringe because it's "out of fashion", then go themselves watch even worse doomscrolling bait than YouTube shorts, like TikTok or whatever's next.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by tern »

hurril wrote: post #810
tern wrote: post #554

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As someone who had input on the website, I can say we're very concerned about that and aiming to fix it as soon as possible. Honestly, we just didn't get it right before the launch.

Why are you even doing anything with the scrolling? Something someone can do in JavaScript in a WebPage is better than the implementation in my touch pad on my Mac?

You're not wrong. But there's a tradeoff between creating a cinematic experience (which really does resonate with people in a strong way) and adhering to standard methods. We debated both approaches and went with this one, in-part because that's part of our ethos: interface design is in a local maximum, and we've had success in our software prototypes creating new interface primitives that i.e. improve the reading experience dramatically.

In order for this current design to work smoothly across platforms, devices, and input methods, however, it'll need to be re-implemented, and it was probably a mistake to try something so ambitious in the time we had available.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by causality0 »

boochiboo12 wrote: post #57
causality0 wrote: post #55

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It would be cool if we could cast our phone screens to it. That way we wouldn't have to deal with file and app synchronization, cellular tethering, or any of the other friction points of using multiple devices.

its a good idea, know any good firmware / encoding engineers who could help us build really good casting?

Nope, but I offer a prayer that the end product performs more like Sunshine and less like Miracast.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by paholg »

jimmysong wrote: post #412
paholg wrote: post #359

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It says you can install any Android app. So I can just like browse websites in Firefox? How is that experience?

I'm typing on a Daylight computer on Firefox right now with the brightness turned to 0 so it's only reflecting light. It's very similar to the tablet experience for Hacker News, just with less color, so it's not as straining to the eye.

Awesome! I want!

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by causality0 »

boochiboo12 wrote: post #21

Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

Seems like a company willing to take risks. If this is successful, do you think Daylight will explore options for color devices? I know that I personally am very sad that twenty years ago transflective LCDs were in tons of devices and were perfectly viewable in direct sunlight and now they're nowhere to be found.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by stonogo »

anddam wrote: post #551
fsflover wrote: post #531

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> Something like this that you could load your own Linux flavor onto Did you consider PineNote?

Note tha its production was put to stop (last year IIRC) with reserve to possibly start it again. AFAICT market reception was lukewarm at best and it was not financially viable. I would have loved one, but I guess leaving the development of a proper OS to the community is not going to land mass adoption. Average Joe needs a device to buy and use, not to buy and tinker with.

"Market reception" is never going to be very good when you never sell the product. What Pine Notes they made were only sold on a beg-us-for-an-invite basis.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by schaefer »

adiM wrote: post #835
schaefer wrote: post #657

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Alright. You are putting together a compelling argument for both skepticism and caution before placing an order for merchandise from the goodereader store. (not something I planned to do) -- How do you feel about their youtube channel where they review all the various devices in this market segment? Specifically, have you ever found their reviews to be inaccurate? Do you know of any alternative source of reviews in t…

I found their reviews to be a bit too rosy and not highlighting the weak points of the products properly. But I do not find them to be biased. The most honest source is Voja's My Deep Guide Channel on YouTube. Very detailed and informative reviews.

I do like Voja as well. I just don't think he gets to review as many devices overall.

But, it stands to reason that since Voja is not running an e-reader shop, that he would be more objective.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by stubish »

ngneer wrote: post #695
mbreese wrote: post #683

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In some industries, anything that “computes” or has a data connection is strictly regulated. If data can move in or out, it needs to be verified. So, if you want to avoid those validation steps, it would need to be a dumb device without an OS. Like the parent said - just a monitor.

I agree with the sentiment, but it is harder and harder to find truly "dumb" devices anymore. USB has a complicated (and vulnerable) firmware stack. Monitors have hackable on screen display controllers. Unless you want to go back to VGA... Just saying... https://github.com/redballoonshenanigans/monitordarkly

Dumb devices can have smarts; they just need to be incapable of shenanigans. Maybe a monitor can be reprogrammed to capture screen shots, but without storage or a network connection, that isn't useful.
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