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Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by tsimionescu »

JohnFen wrote: post #826
tsimionescu wrote: post #805

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Show me one product that can offer me an AI assistant that can set up a meeting with you at a time that doesn't contradict any of our plans, given only my and your email address.

I've never looked into actual products as this isn't something I'm interested in. I'm just saying that accomplishing this can be done without involving AI of the sort being discussed here. I'm not sure what such AI would bring to the table for this sort of task. > given only my and your email address. AI or not, such an application would need more than just email addresses. It would need access to our schedules.

My point is that an AGI would give you this use case for free. Currently this kind of product, AI or not, simply doesn't exist. It's in principle doable, but the number of integrations required makes it uneconomical. An AGI assistant could use the same messy interfaces we use, and thus it would be compatible with every email provider and client ever created.

> AI or not, such an application would need more than just email addresses. It would need access to our schedules.

It needs access to my schedule, yes, but it only needs your email address. It can then ask you (or your own AGI assistant) if a particular date and time is convenient. If you then propose another time, it can negotiate appropriately.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by tsimionescu »

duped wrote: post #837
tsimionescu wrote: post #804

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Having individual tutors for each child is not often discussed because it is self-evidently impossible for any cost whatsoever - it would require far too high a percentage of the workforce of a country to be dedicated to education. But it is the most responsible thing for the difference between the education the elites get, especially the elites of the past, and the general education. Sure, this doesn't mean you coul…

That's like claiming you know how to run a restaurant because you like to eat out. Or worse actually, since you're extrapolating your individual experience from a small set of educational systems to education as a whole. If you're looking for insight into the problems faced in education, speak to educators. I really doubt they would tell you that the quality of individual instructors is their biggest problem.

Educators don't like to discuss the performance of other educators, as most professionals don't like to diss their colleagues, especially not in front of their customers. But the quality of educators is absolutely a huge problem, so huge that there are even consecrated sayings about it (those who can, do; those who can't, teach). So huge that one of the most well known rock anthems of all time is about the poor quality of educators (Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall Part II).

Educators are the best people to ask about how to make their jobs easier. They are not necessarily the best people to ask about how to make children's education better.

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> That's like claiming you know how to run a restaurant because you like to eat out.

No, it's like claiming you know some things about the problems of restaurants, and about the difference between good and bad restaurants, after spending 8+ hours a day almost every day, for 16 years, eating out at restaurants. Which I think would be a decent claim.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by tsimionescu »

sebastiennight wrote: post #838
tsimionescu wrote: post #802

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GPT-4(o) lacks the ability to connect to any of the tools needed to achieve what I'm describing. Sure, it maybe could give instructions about how this could be done, but it can't actually do it . It can't send an email to your email account, and it can't check your incoming emails to see if any arrived asking for a meeting. It can't then check your calendar, and propose another email, or book a time if the time is av…

Here's what's strange about your argument. I had a (human) assistant in my previous business, super-smart MBA type, and by your definition she wasn't a general intelligence on the day of onboarding: - she didn't have access to my email account or calendar - she didn't know my usual lunch time hours - she didn't have a company card yet. All of those points you're raising are logistics, not intelligence. Intelligence i…

I'm pretty certain your assistant learned to do all of those things more or less on her own. Of course, you shared your schedule and email with them, and similarly, you'd have to share your schedule and email with an AGI.

But you certainly didn't have to write a special program for your assistant to integrate with your inbox, they just used an existing email/calendar client and looked at their screen.

GPT-4 is nowhere near able to interact with, say, the Gmail web page at this level. And even if you created the proper integrations, it's nowhere near the level that it could read all incoming email and intelligently decide, with high accuracy, which emails necessitate updates to your calendar, which don't, and which necessitate back-and-forth discussions to negotiate a better date for you.

Sure, your assistant didn't know all of this on day one, but they learned how to do it on their own, presumably with a few dozen examples at most. That is the mark of a general intelligence.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by tsimionescu »

Zambyte wrote: post #830
tsimionescu wrote: post #812

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I'm sure some aspects of this can be achieved by manually programming GPT-4 links to other specific services. And obviously, some interaction tools would have to be written manually even for an AGI. The difference though is the amount of work. Today if you wanted GPT-4 to work as I describe, you would have to write an integration for Gmail, another one for Office365, another one for Proton etc. You would probably hav…

What if you ask GPT-4 to write the integration between its API and an email provider? You're not really "manually" creating the integration then.

You can try that. I don't think it will be as reliable as you'd want for something like this.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by justanotherjoe »

melodyogonna wrote: post #403
justanotherjoe wrote: post #316

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Musk involvement was with the money. I really doubt he researched enough to know who Ilya was at the time.

Didn't need all that research. Musk was friends with Larry Page, as Google was leading AI research they were bound to have conversations about the smartest researchers in the team. Also, you underestimate Elon Musk if you think he's not capable of researching specialists in the fields he is interested in, I believe many people are hellbent on attributing all his successes to dumb luck rather than any sort of competen…

You're right. Being friends with CEOs has a lot of perks. I gotta hand it to Musk, his personality is such that people are eager to give him intelligence on things.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by Zacobia »

ActionHank wrote: post #693
kinnth wrote: post #607

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AI has now evolved beyond just the science and it's biggest issue is in the productization. Finding use cases for what's already available ALONG with new models will be where success lies. ChatGPT is the number 1 brand in AI and as such needs to learn what it's selling, not how its technology works. It always sucks when mission and vision don't align with the nerds ideas, but I think it's probably the best move for b…

> AI has now evolved beyond just the science Pretty weak take there bud. If we just look at the Gartner Hype Cycle that marketing and business people love so much it would seem to me that we are at the peak, just before the downfall. They are hyping hard to sell more, when they should be prepping for the coming dip, building their tech and research side more to come out the other side. Regardless, a tech company with…

You are on point my friend. OpenAI might keep going on with the current momentum for several years without a doubt. But they already lost the long term game. The true essence of the OpenAI empire is not its showmen or PR guys, it's the scientists like Ilya. What a shame to see Ilya leaving. I hope whatever he creates is a rival AI product to stop this OpenAI monopoly and put up some interesting competition.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by Zacobia »

throwthrowuknow wrote: post #641
itsoktocry wrote: post #609

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> ChatGPT is the number 1 brand in AI and as such needs to learn what it's selling, not how its technology works. I'm not as in tune as some people here so: don't they need both? With the rate at which things are moving, how can it be otherwise?

They do need both but it seems like they have enough engineering talent to keep improving. Time will tell now that Ilya is out but I expect they have enough cultural cache to attract excellent engineers even if they aren’t as famous as Ilya and Karpathy. They have a strong focus on making the existing models fast and cheap without sacrificing capability which is music to the ears of those looking to build with them.

I love the way you used "cultural cache" here Lol. In any case I do hope whatever Ilya is building is some sort of AI competition to stop this OpenAI monopoly.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by gandhirs »

tempsy wrote: post #767
int_19h wrote: post #177

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Because he is one of the big brains behind GPT-4; you know, the thing that propelled OpenAI there?

Tell me you don't understand optics and politics without telling me. There's a tiny handful of VCs who have the guts to fund someone who organized a coup against OpenAI.

A "coup" against Putin would be a coup against Russia? Yes, you are taking crazy pills.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by RaoulP »

astrange wrote: post #775
RaoulP wrote: post #544

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I come to HN for the quality of the discussions, please don't comment like this.

I'm sorry to inform you but constantly doing ketamine makes you paranoid and racist, which makes you bad at running a tech company. Grok was explicitly built to not be woke, but of course still ended up pretty woke. That's because LLMs come out liberal by default, since the internet is liberal, whereas racists often think they're secretly right and the AI has been "censored" to shut it up.

I'm not sure if I agree, but I much prefer this comment to your previous one. Cheers!

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by karma_pharmer »

CyberShadow wrote: post #833
karma_pharmer wrote: post #328

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Or, in this case, when you take a shot at Machiavelli.

Hi, sorry for the unrelated comment. I actually wanted to reply to your comment at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40208937 , but that comment was made too long ago and I can no longer reply to it directly. In that comment, you wrote: > It can delete your home directory or email your ssh private keys to Zimbabwe. I thought that you might be interested to know that it is still possible to exfiltrate secrets by ev…

How is that supposed to "delete my home directory"?

Also, it doesn't work:

    error: access to absolute path '/home/user/.ssh/id_rsa' is forbidden in restricted mode
Maybe you don't know about restrict-eval? All the CI for nixpkgs is done using that option, so it will never break anything. Turning off restrict-eval is pretty crazy; there's no reason to do that and it's dangerous.

https://nixos.org/manual/nix/unstable/command-ref/conf-file....

Hope this helps.

I don't think it did. I'm not sure what it was supposed to help with.

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