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Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by tamrix »

Aurornis wrote: post #342
KeplerBoy wrote: post #186

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If these things will ever get MacOS support it will be useless with 8 GB of Ram. Such a waste of nice components.

I have a minimum of 64GB on my all my main developer machines (home, work, laptop), but I have a spare laptop with only 8GB of RAM for lightweight travel. Despite the entire internet telling me it would be "unusable" and a disaster and a complete disaster, it's actually 100% perfectly fine. I can run IDEs, Slack, Discord, Chrome, and do dev work without a problem. I can't run a lot of VMs or compile giant projects wi…

Fine just doesn't cut it for a premium machine you expect to last a few years at least. It's honestly just marketed so you want to spend extra and upgrade. Let's be real.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by KeplerBoy »

tamrix wrote: post #840
KeplerBoy wrote: post #186

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If these things will ever get MacOS support it will be useless with 8 GB of Ram. Such a waste of nice components.

Why can't they just make it 12gb? It will sell far easier. It's all soldered on anyway.

It probably has a 128 bit buswidth. You need 32 bit per memory chip, so you end up with 4 chips.

3 GB ram chips probably exist, but are definitely not common.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by transpute »

monocularvision wrote: post #838
transpute wrote: post #819

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> Not even as a VM WWDC is next month. There's still a chance of iPadOS 18 including a Hypervisor API for macOS/Linux VMs on M4 iPads.

I hope for this every single year. I just don’t see it happening. But I hope I am wrong.

2022, https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/10/20/apple-rumored-to-...

> A leaker has claimed that Apple is working on a version of macOS exclusive for the M2 iPad Pro ... the exclusivity to M2 iPad Pro could be a marketing push. If the feature is only available on that iPad, more people would buy it.

Based on the M4 announcement, vMacOS could be exclusive to the 1TB/2TB iPad Pro with 16GB RAM that would be helpful for VMs.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by flawsofar »

tyho wrote: post #591
strangescript wrote: post #569

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The fundamental problem with this strategy is model size. I want all my apps to be privacy first with local models, but there is no way they can share models in any kind of coherent way. Especially when good apps are going to fine tune their models. Every app is going to be 3GB+

Foundation models will be the new .so files.

And fine tuning datasets will be compressed and sent rather than the whole model

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by Kelteseth »

monocularvision wrote: post #838
transpute wrote: post #819

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> Not even as a VM WWDC is next month. There's still a chance of iPadOS 18 including a Hypervisor API for macOS/Linux VMs on M4 iPads.

I hope for this every single year. I just don’t see it happening. But I hope I am wrong.

At this point, you would have a better chance of running your own apps by relocating to the EU ;)

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by arvinsim »

rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

If inference on edge devices is their goal, then they would have to rethink their pricing on storage and RAM.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by mcfedr »

asow92 wrote: post #332

Why are we running these high end CPUs on tablets without the ability to run pro apps like Xcode? Until I can run Xcode on an iPad (not Swift Playgrounds), it's a pass for me. Hear me out: I don't want to bring both an iPad and Macbook on trips, but I need Xcode. Because of this, I have to pick the Macbook every time. I want an iPad, but the iPad doesn't want me.

I got an iPad a couple of years ago, was really disappointed by the how limited it felt in what I could do. Not to mention the awful app store.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by edm0nd »

KerrAvon wrote: post #584
kernal wrote: post #567

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> This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy How can they have a privacy first strategy when they operate an Ad network and have their Chinese data centers run by state controlled companies?

How can I have mint choc and pineapple swirl ice cream when there are children starving in Africa?

Fuck them kids. It's delicious af.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by arvinsim »

klabb3 wrote: post #620
andsoitis wrote: post #539

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> In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending data up to the cloud for processing). Their primary business goal is to sell hardware. Yes, they’ve diversified into services and being a shopping mall for all, but it is about selling lu…

> but it is about selling luxury hardware. Somewhat true but things are changing. While there are plenty of “luxury” Apple devices like Vision Pro or fully decked out MacBooks for web browsing we no longer live in a world where tech are just lifestyle gadgets. People spend hours a day on their phones, and often run their life and businesses through it. Even with the $1000+/2-3y price tag, it’s simply not that much gi…

Macbooks are not bang-for-buck. Most engineers I know buy it because it's like Windows but with Unix tools built-in.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by Refusing23 »

andsoitis wrote: post #539
rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

> In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending data up to the cloud for processing). Their primary business goal is to sell hardware. Yes, they’ve diversified into services and being a shopping mall for all, but it is about selling lu…

Their 2nd largest revenue source (at ... 20-25%, below only the iphone) is software services.

iCloud, App store revenue, apple tv, and so on

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