Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

Post by wolverine876 » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 6:39 PM UTC

tety wrote: post #452

wolverine876 wrote: post #273

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Where is the burden of proof here? I generally think that militaries and governments in international relations, and especially regarding warfare, are not trustworthy; they will lie if it helps them. Israel in particular focuses on information for the Western public (which I'm sure they would agree to; they even have a word for it, and especially in this war (they are well-organized and there is plenty of recent jour…

https://twitter.com/AvichayAdraee/status/1756728159158812921 This tweet has many photos of the above journalist participating and commanding a Hamas exercise, I think these are pretty incriminating. https://twitter.com/idfonline/status/1745158775567175764 This tweet contains an Islamic Jihad document listing another journalist as a member

Post by gataca » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 6:43 PM UTC

rendall wrote: post #657

GordonS wrote: post #641

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That is not at all what I said - are you commenting in good faith? We've also seen no credible evidence that Hamas hides weapons inside of schools, mosques or hospitals.

> We've also seen no credible evidence... We have seen plenty of credible evidence. Just, no evidence that you will accept.

Post by bawolff » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 6:46 PM UTC

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #706

bawolff wrote: post #627

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> Like, if Israel doesn't want the Gaza strip/west bank, then why hasn't there been a two state solution? My understanding is support for a 2 state solution is relatively low on both sides. Especially now that things have deteriorated, but even before oct 7 it seemed unlikely. Even if Israel doesn't want Gaza, they still have an interest in not getting shot at. I don't think they believe that they would be safe from…

> My understanding is support for a 2 state solution is relatively low on both sides. Especially now that things have deteriorated, but even before oct 7 it seemed unlikely. I find that pretty hard to believe (particularly from the Palestinian side). I agree that Israel's government doesn't want this (Netanyahu has been against since forever), but the options are occupation and the consequent destruction of Israel as…

Post by gataca » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 6:47 PM UTC

hef19898 wrote: post #742

bennyz wrote: post #736

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Police brutality isn't something specific to this region (IDF is policing in the west bank), or to Palestinians in the region. Hamas murdered and kidnapped hundreds of civilians to protest this? I think it's pretty clear that Hamas would prioritize the release of a high ranking terrorist with civilian blood on their hands over someone that may be wrongfully detained.

Yes, Hamas attacked, killed and kidnapped people in a terror attack to protest this. Also to have hostages to exchange for some of their own. And yes, these "own" are Hamas members and not the innocent bystanders. Was there ever any doubt about this? None of that justifies, again, the levelling of Gaza, the starving of around 500,000 people and the deliberate targeting of civilians who have nothing to do with any of…

Post by gataca » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 6:50 PM UTC

jay-barronville wrote: post #752

gataca wrote: post #731

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Even Human Rights Watch (anti-israel propaganda outlet at this point) has said it was a Palestinian rocket: "However, the sound preceding the explosion, the fireball that accompanied it, the size of the resulting crater, the type of splatter adjoining it, and the type and pattern of fragmentation visible around the crater are all consistent with the impact of a rocket. Evidence available to Human Rights Watch makes t…

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