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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by Tarragon »

dekhn wrote: post #769
Tarragon wrote: post #605

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It’s often assumed that African people arrived in Scotland in the 18th century, or even later. But in fact Africans were resident in Scotland much earlier, and in the early 16th century they were high-status members of the royal retinue." https://www.nts.org.uk/stories/africans-at-the-court-of-jame...

an article about a small number of royally-associated africans in soctland in the 16th century does not justify an image generating AI producing large numbers of black people in pictures of scottish people in the 16th century.

The Scotland link in the grandparent post is to a picture of 2 people, 1 white, 1 black. 1 is not large numbers.

Look, Gemini is clearly doing some weird stuff. But going all "look what crazy thing it did" for this specific image is bullshit. Maybe it's a misunderstanding of Scotland in specific and the prevalence of black people in history in general, in which case in needs to be gently corrected.

Or it's performative histrionics

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by docmars »

magnoliakobus wrote: post #791
sotasota wrote: post #759

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If you ever wondered what it was like to live during the beginning of the Cultural Revolution, well, we are living in the Western version of that right now. You don't speak out during the revolution for fear of being ostracized, fired, and forced into a struggle session where your character and reputation is publicly destroyed to send a clear message to everyone else. Shut Up Or Else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go…

Are you aware that millions of people were murdered during the actual cultural revolution? Honestly, are you aware of literally anything about the cultural revolution besides that it happened? The Wall Street Journal, Washington Enquirer, Fox News, etc. are all just as allowed to freely publish whatever they wish as they ever were, there is not mass brutalization or violence being done against you, most people I live…

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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by wtepplexisted »

mlrtime wrote: post #401
empath-nirvana wrote: post #387

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There is an _actual problem_ that needs to be solved. If you ask generative AI for a picture of a "nurse", it will produce a picture of a white woman 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or fine tuning that encourages it to do something else. If you ask a generative AI for a picture of a "software engineer", it will produce a picture of a white guy 100% of the time, without some additional prompting or…

But why give those two examples? Why didn't you use an example of a "Professional Athlete"? There is no problem with these examples if you assume that the person wants the statistically likely example... this is ML after all, this is exactly how it works. If I ask you to think of a Elephant, what color do you think of? Wouldn't you expect an AI image to be the color you thought of?

If I want an elephant, I would accept literally anything as output including an inflatable yellow elephant in a swimming pool.

But when I improve the prompt and ask the AI for a grey elephant near a lake, more specifically, I don't want it to gaslight me into thinking this is something only a white supremacist would ask for and refuse to generate the picture.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by janalsncm »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #192
mrtksn wrote: post #4

For context: There was an outcry in social media after Gemini refused to generate images of white people, leading deeply inaccurate in historic sense images being generated. Though the issue might be more nuanced than the mainstream narrative, it had some hilarious examples. Of course the politically sensitive people are waging war over it. Here are some popular examples: https://dropover.cloud/7fd7ba

" a friend at google said he knew gemini was this bad...but couldn't say anything until today (he DMs me every few days). lots of ppl in google knew. but no one really forced the issue obv and said what needed to be said google is broken " Razib Khan, https://twitter.com/razibkhan/status/1760545472681267521

Here’s a simpler explanation. Google is getting their butt kicked by OpenAI and rushed out an imperfect product. This is one of probably 50 known issues with Gemini but it got enough attention that they had to step in and disable a part of the product.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by u32480932048 »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #764
u32480932048 wrote: post #715

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Hispanic racism is an advanced-level topic that most of the blue-haired know-nothings aren't prepared to discuss because they can't easily construct the requisite Oppression Pyramid. It's easier to lump them in with "Black" (er, "BIPOC") and continue parroting the canned factoids they were already regurgitating. The ideology is primarily self-serving ("Look at me! I'm a Good Person!", "I'm a member of the in-group!")…

The second part is literally how we got the term Latinx. A bunch of white elites congratulating themselves for "removing sexism" from a language that they have a pamphlet level understanding of.

This is perhaps the single best example of it.

I guess paternalistic colonialism is only a problem when other people do it.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by buildsjets »

duxup wrote: post #729
anonymoushn wrote: post #269

It's amusing that the diversity-promoting prompt includes native Americans but excludes all other indigenous peoples.

Also the images are almost bizarrely stereotypical in my experence. The very specific background of each person is pretty clear. There's no 'in-between' or mixed race or background folks. It's so strange to look at.

The Village People AI. Gemini specializes in re-creating scenes featuring stereotyped Indian Chiefs, firemen, policemen, and construction workers.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by wtepplexisted »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #798
wtepplexisted wrote: post #789

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This is how Jesus is described in Islam: "I saw Jesus, a man of medium height and moderate complexion inclined to the red and white colors and of lank hair" Try that prompt in various models (remove the part saying it's Jesus) and see what comes out.

> how Jesus is described in Islam You seem to be quoting Muhammed's alleged description of Jesus from the Quran [1], per--allegedly--Ibn Abbas [2], a man born over half a century after Jesus died. [1] http://facweb.furman.edu/~ateipen/islam/BukhariJesusetc.html [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Abbas

Yes?

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by scarface_74 »

mike_hearn wrote: post #832
scarface_74 wrote: post #606

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ChatGPT won’t draw a picture of a “WW2 German soldier riding a horse”. Makes sense. But it won’t even draw “a picture of a modern German soldier riding a horse”. Are Germans going to be tarnished forever? FWIW: I’m a black guy not an undercover Nazi sympathizer. But I do want my computer to do what I tell it to do.

Tried and it refused on the basis of having military themes, and explained it was due to content restrictions. Restricting images of war seems kind of silly given the prevalence of hyper-realistic video games that simulate war in gory detail, but it's not related to the reasons for Gemini going wrong.

However, ChatGPT 4 would draw a picture of an American soldier during WW2 riding a horse.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by gedy »

magnoliakobus wrote: post #818
gedy wrote: post #753

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> How is it that this was somehow approved? If the tweets can be believed, Gemini's product lead (Jack Krawzczyk) is very, shall we say, "passionate" about this type of social justice belief. So would not be a surprise if he's in charge of this.

"very, shall we say, 'passionate'" meaning a relatively small amount of tweets include pretty mild admissions of reality and satirical criticism of a person who is objectively prejudiced. Examples: 1. Saying he hasn't experienced systemic racism as a white man and that it exists within the country. 2. Saying that discussion about systemic racism during Bidens inauguration was good. 3. Suggesting that some level of wh…

> you make it sound as if he's some sort of silly DEI ideologue

I mean, yes? Saying offensive and wrong things like this: "This is America, where racism is the #1 value our populace seeks to uphold above all..."

and now being an influential leader in AI at one of the most powerful companies on Earth? That deserves some scrutiny.

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