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Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by chfalck »

crazygringo wrote: post #761
gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

Interesting. I don’t like the name at all because it makes me think of people who take horoscopes seriously. You’re impression seems to be untainted by that which is nice

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by [deleted] »

ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by andirk »

taf2 wrote: post #797
crazygringo wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

Big idea but maybe they should have just named it Google

They kind of didn't name their OK Google assistant anything other than "Assistant". What about ChatGooglePT?

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by josephjrobison »

crazygringo wrote: post #761
gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

The alliteration beauty of Google Gemini cannot be denied.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#845

Post by jameshart »

josephjrobison wrote: post #844
crazygringo wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

The alliteration beauty of Google Gemini cannot be denied.

Only if you pronounce it with a hard G, like in GIF.

Or have I been mispronouncing ‘Google’ all this time?

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by Firerouge »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #623
kevinmchugh wrote: post #594

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On logic it cannot handle the Dumb Monty Hall problem at all: https://g.co/gemini/share/33c5fb45738f

This is with regular gemini or with the paid gemini advanced?

Paid version is no better at this https://g.co/bard/share/c8503017ef9e

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by gnicholas »

josephjrobison wrote: post #844
crazygringo wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

The alliteration beauty of Google Gemini cannot be denied.

I think alliteration applies to pronunciation, not orthography. For example, "ceaseless sun" is an alliteration even though it is spelled with both C and S. I wonder if there is a word for the orthographic counterpart, which you describe here (and which I note in another comment, as the benefit of both starting with G).

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#848

Post by ASinclair »

jonplackett wrote: post #521
ASinclair wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you prefer to validate if a model is actually useful for you in practice outside of solving toy problems? Are you asking these models to solve reasoning problems like this to get any benefit for yourself in your day to day use? Or do you even care if the models are useful for day to day tasks?

I also tried it with a bunch of my previous got4 requests and it didn’t even understand. A few of them that gpt4 was very helpful with

Got it. Thanks.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by glenstein »

chfalck wrote: post #841
crazygringo wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

Interesting. I don’t like the name at all because it makes me think of people who take horoscopes seriously. You’re impression seems to be untainted by that which is nice

Same here, I think I'm more on your side which I guess goes to show how all over the map subjective reactions can be.

But first of all, I thought the whole idea of alphabet was a kind of cheeky way of telling the world you had a portfolio of projects, one for each letter, And B is for bard would be perfect, and Gemini is about as incompatible as it gets given that g is claimed.

I also find it bizarre to say that association with Shakespeare, or the association with whimsical poetic expression is in any sense a bad thing. It's a clean, simple, fun name that's remarkably short and surprisingly unclaimed. And I don't even strongly associate it specifically with Shakespeare, that's like a background association as far as I'm concerned.

I think perhaps the real talk here is that Bard was kind of an emergency response to chat GPT, but also people have some pretty specific and distinct experiences with Bard and have an idea of its quality, and Google just needs to turn the page on the perception of Bard.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by qgin »

gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

Bard felt like Google was treating LLMs as merely an amusing spinner of tales, just a narrative UI layer over the "real stuff" of the Google Search.
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