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Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

#841

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

His tweets are as trustworthy as Trump's.

And as full of random capitals.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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post #266

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I really like lemmy too. I think the biggest issue is that people think of Lemmy itself as the replacement of reddit.com. But what makes more sense to me is thinking about Lemmy as a tool to build separate websites that are each a replacement for reddit.com and that these can interoperate with each other to grow based on the local users interests. I think the biggest hurdle is figuring out where to create your first…

Yeah, good point about instances being communities! It’s like how the Star Trek one did it and my mind boggled when I realized you could (and someone has done so) make a national Lemmy _instance_ rather than just a /r/mycountry. And then everything there is localized! So you basically have a social news _site_ in your language that can federate with all the rest. Of course, this goes for any major interest category b…

> Another cool development would be a science-oriented Lemmy instance with lots of special purpose sciency stuff.

Something like this?

https://mander.xyz/communities

> An instance dedicated to nature and science. > The main focus of this instance is the natural sciences, and the scope encompasses all of the STEM fields.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

#843
post #176

A lot of local governments (public transit, police, fire department) use Twitter to provide service updates and even critical information when there's some kind of local emergency. I hope they're migrating off already but I kinda doubt it.

Aren't those a statutory requirement? If so, I can see lawsuits for posting them only on a subscription-required service ... [reaches for popcorn]

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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post #650
post #110

This killed nitter. Fuck. I guess I'm done with Twitter. Reddit is in Eternal September. Twitter is login-walled. If HN is next, I'll probably be mostly done with the Internet. This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :(

HN isn't next. We hate change. (More precisely: we're acutely aware that users hate change, and since we do too, it's kind of an easy call.) Also, the value of HN to YC consists of the community and keeping the community happy is therefore a must. (Did I say happy? More precisely: as happy as possible under the circumstances)

Thanks for that. You’re about the only website I trust not to turn on me these days.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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"Several hundred organizations (maybe more) were scraping Twitter data extremely aggressively, to the point where it was affecting the real user experience. What should we do to stop that? I’m open to ideas." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674898695534309378 "1. Scraping is already disallowed by T&C. 2. The scraping orgs dgaf & mask their IPs through proxy servers or through orgs that appear legit. For example,…

I thought the typical response would be rate limit plus captcha.

Exactly. This is a (mostly) solved problem - if LinkedIn can do it without completely locking down the website, Twitter can as well

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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For me the main barrier is that I want to have portable/roaming control over my IDENTITY , even if the content hosting is (for now) entirely through a system administered by someone else. If I control the identity, I can at least keep local copies and rehost/repost content later. Instead, it feels like the current Fediverse demands that I make a blind choice to entrust not merely a copy of my content but also my whol…

I've been able to switch mastadon instances without any problems; most instances seem to handle whatever activitypub machinery transfers followers. So as long as both your source and destination support account transfers, you can usually switch and even seamlessly bring along most of your followers without them noticing. No idea about your admin question. All bets are likely off with a bad admin. If you want actual c…

If your instance suddenly dies without prior notice, you won't be able to transfer your account.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

#847

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

Elon has a good point there. Much of the current AI hotness is predicated on stealing peoples content and exploiting the infrastructure that other people have built. I don’t think it’s acceptable. The licenses, compensation models, law, technical solutions, attribution, security and privacy all need time to catch up. Regulation has a role to play as its a bit of a free for all right now. The irony of Elon mentioning…

> stealing peoples content

The Twitters and Reddits need to be careful here when complaining because without users generating free content, they also have no business.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

#848
post #650
post #110

This killed nitter. Fuck. I guess I'm done with Twitter. Reddit is in Eternal September. Twitter is login-walled. If HN is next, I'll probably be mostly done with the Internet. This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :(

HN isn't next. We hate change. (More precisely: we're acutely aware that users hate change, and since we do too, it's kind of an easy call.) Also, the value of HN to YC consists of the community and keeping the community happy is therefore a must. (Did I say happy? More precisely: as happy as possible under the circumstances)

Agreed. Align models with happiness.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

#849

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

Missed opportunity to poison the scrapers' well by showing them AI-generated tweets.

Bad data is devastating in a way a HTTP 401 is not.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

#850

From Elon's twitter ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674942336583757825?s=20 ) "This will be unlocked shortly. Per my earlier post, drastic & immediate action was necessary due to EXTREME levels of data scraping. Almost every company doing AI, from startups to some of the biggest corporations on Earth, was scraping vast amounts of data. It is rather galling to have to bring large numbers of servers online on an…

Elon has a good point there. Much of the current AI hotness is predicated on stealing peoples content and exploiting the infrastructure that other people have built. I don’t think it’s acceptable. The licenses, compensation models, law, technical solutions, attribution, security and privacy all need time to catch up. Regulation has a role to play as its a bit of a free for all right now. The irony of Elon mentioning…

Scraping has been a thing since the web started. Happens to every public site.

I recall that email at one point was 90% spam.

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