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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by scns »

neom wrote: post #810

Isn't the whistle blower stuff considerably less interesting than this: But some insiders are now willing to take the risk of coming forward for the first time with knowledge of these recovery programs. Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP…

> Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP has been his focus. Previously he had experience serving Private Aerospace and Department of Defense Special Directive Task Forces.

A career like this won't protect you from belief or developing an mental illness. Hope he is fine.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Loquebantur »

mrandish wrote: post #536
eek2121 wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am usually one to treat EVERYTHING with a very healthy dose of skepticism, but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach. The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. You should go check those out. I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets…

> I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets collected. Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/c/mickwest . Mick has thoroughly investigated the most cited videos and shows them to be of entirely terrestrial origin - often atmospheric effects combined with optical lens, digital stabilization and thermal imaging artifacts. He even cites the technical documentation for the military camera equipmen…

So you're telling me, some random game developer was more competent than the US military guys who literally are hired for such analysis?

I suppose, having coded some "parallax effect" is sufficient in your book?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Loquebantur »

scns wrote: post #841
neom wrote: post #810

Isn't the whistle blower stuff considerably less interesting than this: But some insiders are now willing to take the risk of coming forward for the first time with knowledge of these recovery programs. Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP…

> Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP has been his focus. Previously he had experience serving Private Aerospace and Department of Defense Special Directive Task Forces. A career like this won't protect you from belief or developing an me…

How dou you suppose your own competence to be sufficient to judge his claims "must be wrong" and on top of it attest this guy some "mental illness"?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Loquebantur »

xpe wrote: post #538
gitfan86 wrote: post #513

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Angels, ghosts, UFOs, miracles all have the same characteristics. A person who seems very reasonable says they are sure that saw the thing, and they provide SOME circumstantial or grainy photographic evidence, but no one actually got a full resolution picture of the angel or ghost or UFO. I doubt these people are lying. They actually saw something. Miracles are the easiest example to explain. Someone couldn't walk an…

It seems likely to me that “seeing things” is consistent with the predictive processing model from cognitive neuroscience. To summarize: the retina error-corrects a simulation provided from the cortex. Let’s say some visual details are fuzzy. With a strong enough Bayesian prior (e.g. belief in UFOs), the human perceptual apparatus could subjectively see things that look like UFOs. Mind bending, but this seems to me a…

You are hallucinating complete nonsense here.

Just think for a second, if such a thing was possible, why would it be restricted to "UFOs"?

Obviously, such an illness would be well known.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by BobbyJo »

DrBazza wrote: post #798
hermitcrab wrote: post #164

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Which is more likely? a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is visiting us right now. or b) The people making these claims are wrong. While a) isn't impossible, b) seems so much more likely. Also if they have the technology to cross interstellar space, surely they have the technology not to be detected by us?

Occam's razor. Even at non-relativistic speeds self replicating robots could have visited every star system in the galaxy within a few tens of millions of years. We haven't seen any evidence. Everyone has the most advanced cameras in history in their phones and there's exactly zero indisputable pictures of UFOs, ghosts, fairies, chupacabras, Nessie, Bigfoots, Yetis, and so on. If aliens can travel even a light year,…

There are zero indisputable photos of 99.9999999% of things that happen on earth. I mean, even if you have 10 separate people seeing the same thing and someone videoing, that's still disputable. You'd need a stadium of observers and several camera rigs before photo/video evidence would be the necessary level of "sure" to be considered indisputable when it comes to UFOs.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mrfinn »

tboyd47 wrote: post #796
mrfinn wrote: post #741

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One of the firsts things you learn in the "I want to believe" side is to never trust the government.

Don't you see? The government is trying to suppress this information. That's why it has to be true! /s

Oh the government(s) know a lot about how to handle information. And people through it.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by BobbyJo »

tedivm wrote: post #236
tikwidd wrote: post #220

We now know that exoplanets and the conditions for life abound in the universe. Where the conditions for life abound, the null hypothesis ought to be that life abounds. In discussions of alien life and intelligence, we are often biased by earlier states of knowledge about the universe and our position in it. When we first started digging up dinosaur bones, we came up with fantastical notions of creatures to explain t…

Knowing that life may be common is a lot different than knowing that intelligence is.

But claiming it definitely isn't is just as absurd as claiming it definitely is. Maybe even more so.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by bregma »

mlhpdx wrote: post #436
eek2121 wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am usually one to treat EVERYTHING with a very healthy dose of skepticism, but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach. The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. You should go check those out. I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets…

There are unexplained bugs in my software, but I’m pretty sure they weren’t the work of aliens.

I'm pretty convinced space aliens send the cosmic rays down that cause the bizarre runtime bugs in my software. I have never found a more amenable or rational explanation.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by dmix »

everybodyknows wrote: post #549
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

There's a simple, rational explanation: The man needs to make a living. Lectures, documentaries, a book. > He left the government in April after a 14-year career in US intelligence. A government pension requires 20 years IIRC. Grusch is only 36. The formula: Tell the truth where possible, be vague but suggestive about the rest. And of course there were secret UFO programs -- if something from Baikonur shows up here,…

My mom would 100% buy anything this guys says. It's a clever business idea.

Especially with all of those recent flaky gov videos people are eating up wholesale, without any concept of what it actually means to do interstellar travel while simultaneously having invisible motherships. And the only 'evidence' comes from US pilots in a particular height in the sky, never on the ground or visible in space via telescopes... Curious how that works. Just spacecraft zipping around at 30k feet all day in random directions and never going visibly above or below that.

Some guy misinterpreting documents about foreign or unknown materials or objects is probably par for the course here. It's also funny/predictable aliens would be discovered exclusively in the US and withheld from Congress by black suits.

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