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Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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As the copyright holders (not creators, mind you) realized the vast worth of their IP, licensing costs started to put the pressure on Netflix.

I'm sure that's true, but then we've found the actual problem! And it's not viewers sharing their accounts with their families.

If more users have accounts then licensing costs are less of a burden to Netflix.

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Apple, Google and Amazon would seem to have a big advantage here in doing Family Accounts. By putting someone "in your family" you at least feel like you're giving them access to a lot of stuff, so you probably don't do it with friends as much. Plus there is some unique tracking by account even if it's just an email address. I never tried it but I would assume I can't be in multiple "families" at the same time on Pri…

I agree with you but also it's easy to not do it right for YouTube movies. You can't share videos with family unless "you purchase them with the family payment method" (source: https://support.google.com/families/answer/7007852?hl=en#zip... ). I bought a movie on YouTube a few days ago. SO couldn't find it because I didn't buy with the correct credit card.

Get movies anywhere, buy elsewhere. Fortunately Apple doesn’t do this nonsense, this got me once too.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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post #430

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Apple, Google and Amazon would seem to have a big advantage here in doing Family Accounts. By putting someone "in your family" you at least feel like you're giving them access to a lot of stuff, so you probably don't do it with friends as much. Plus there is some unique tracking by account even if it's just an email address. I never tried it but I would assume I can't be in multiple "families" at the same time on Pri…

I found the iTunes family sharing stuff too complicated and just lent my password to my family instead. Which I wouldn't do with friends because that's actually a lot of access.

How anyone can find Apple family sharing difficult to setup is interesting as it takes I think a total of 6 taps to get setup with your first family member.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201088

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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> If you want to time gate your episodes with your friends you're still welcome to coordinate that with them Forcing everyone to collectively sit with a single episode per week is fun. Watching all at once makes them all sort of meld together. Having to sit with an episode for a week changes the experience of watching the show. If you can convince your friend group to watch together, that's great, but things like dis…

the last time i did this, it was with House, M.D., and it was with downloaded copies (to ensure correct subtitles, right?). Episode came out whatever day, a group of us would gather the next evening and watch it together. We had a blind person and two deaf people in the group. The only thing netflix (and possibly others, i wouldn't know) have done to improve that situation is adding descriptive audio service, which b…

I get where you’re coming from on modern TV shows as I still enjoy 80s-90s shows, and some 70s shows more than most modern shows. But a majority of what you listed here is clearly emotional ranting. If you for once believe 75% of shows are law enforcement related then it sounds like you’re not looking deep enough. Granted there are a lot but nowhere near 75%. You also stereotyped a whole generation, though I agree that SOME of that generation has ADHD problems because of that style of cinematography, and it’s only getting worse.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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post #763

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Wait, so everyone at work was using the same account? You're making this sound like a rational move, from Netflix.

Maybe? They lost a subscriber.

Depending on how much it cost to deliver that content, assuming netflix is running near 24/7, it may still be a win.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Losing 1M users is not good, but isn't the real question how many accounts they lost? > The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password, according to Kantar’s research, which is based on surveys of household streaming habits. This makes it seem like they lost 333k customers. I don't know how many customers they have in Spain, but that sounds like a…

Losing 1M users is not good, but isn't the real question how many accounts they lost? There's another question: how's the competition doing? Amazon and Sky Showtime are much better in new subscriptions. HBO is 50% in new subscriptions. The measure is killing mindshare.

Amazon is a bit harder to judge given the subscription is for more than just movies and tvs

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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They would have no way of knowing if your wife or you are using your wife's account, so of course it doesn't include that. Why would you need to clarify that? They don't have spyware turning on your camera for facial recognition lol

Streaming platforms absolutely know who is watching. Sometimes it's because they have profiles you can set up, but that data can also come from people watching shows on their own phones/tablets/laptops, what shows they watch, and the hours that they watch them.

My account, with everybody using the same profile, working different schedules, and watching different shows, I wonder what my profile looks like? 0-100 male or female is about as close as they could get.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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They would have no way of knowing if your wife or you are using your wife's account, so of course it doesn't include that. Why would you need to clarify that? They don't have spyware turning on your camera for facial recognition lol

Image capture isn't the only fingerprinting technique: there are much simpler signals like patterns related to content navigation (just one example: tap vs swipe for advancing paginated content), and the combination of such signals can create a strong fingerprint

Netflix doesn’t need to image capture because they know what content they are displaying. Swipes and taps count for little when the device is a set top box that matches every other set top boxes fingerprint.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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post #711

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> I wouldn’t be surprised if artists (filmmakers, musicians…) create a common fair streaming platform. Let us name it “United Artists“ ;) That falls under > And we have now competitors and doesn’t over anymore all relevant content The core problem is basically owners of IP all wanting to build walled gardens to distribute them (and get all of the cut), instead of just going "pay us X per view, regardless of who you a…

> instead of just going "pay us X per view, regardless of who you are" Yeah and this is actually how the music industry is doing this and it works great. Spotify, Apple Music, Deezer etc all work fine alongside one another.

"works great", maybe for consumer
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