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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by ethbr0 »

coliveira wrote: post #816
bilbo0s wrote: post #761

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This is what the last 30 years have been Only they haven't. The reason the US and Russia haven't run rampant the last 30 years is because the US and Russia can blow each other away. So Russia satisfies itself with Georgia and now Ukraine. And the US satisfies itself with those nations in the MidEast region. Remove Russia, and the US would have been all over the yard. Remove the US, and Russia would have been all over…

I agree. The result of N. Korea acquiring nuclear weapons was the cessation of the idea of direct war against the Korean regime. I believe if Iran already had nukes we wouldn't be talking about the possibility of war there, either.

The difficult calculus with Iran is trying to decide if they're actually pious enough to immolate themselves to take out Israel. Or whether a group could come to power who might be.

North Korea is insane in its own way, but hereditary personality cults do have a history of acting in the interest of self-preservation.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by lazyeye »

throwaway6734 wrote: post #467
layer8 wrote: post #337

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“The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.”

The US is in direct competition with China. Why let someone play by rules that are more advantageous to them if you dont have to?

To understand how this situation has come about have a read of "Red-Handed" by Peter Schweizer.

The Chinese "elite capture" program is well-documented. They intentionally ensnare govt & business elites (and family members) in extremely lucrative deals with China to ensure they remain pro-China's interests. And there are some big names in there (Bidens, Pelosi, and McConnell etc).

The media doesnt talk about this corruption as they all have movie studios and want to sell their movies into China.

Its why there may be occasional discussion of the problem (like here) but for some inexplicable reason, simple and obvious steps are never taken.

The political will simply isn't there due to elite capture IMO.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by thematrixturtle »

trasz wrote: post #802
thematrixturtle wrote: post #505

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Could you point us to China saying that? AFAIK China's policy is precisely the opposite: they've repeatedly made it very clear they will use military force if Taiwan ever proclaims independence.

No - they made it clear that they will use military force if US invades Taiwan. They also made it very clear that they want peaceful solution, because their economy doesn’t depend on waging wars. Feel free to prove otherwise; note that Chinese statements are quite often misquoted.

“If anyone dares to split Taiwan from China, the Chinese army will definitely not hesitate to start a war no matter the cost,” Defence Minister Wei Fenghe said during a meeting with Lloyd Austin on Friday.

“The PLA [People’s Liberation Army] would have no choice but to fight … and crush any attempt of Taiwan independence, safeguarding national sovereignty and territorial integrity.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/10/china-tells-us-it-w...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by yucky »

Clubber wrote: post #823
yucky wrote: post #764

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>A republic is a form of democracy. This strange differentiation came about as a GOP talking point in the early 2000s. What? No, this is not a recent talking point, it's the core philosophical difference in this country since day 1. The names of the parties Republican & Democrat aren't just random words, they represent the philosophical differences in where the bulk of the power in government should rest (the republi…

>where the bulk of the power in government should rest You are thinking federalism vs anti-federalism. That was Jefferson and Hamilton. The federalists won a long time ago, mainly through the interpretation of the commerce clause. Recent decisions by the SCOTUS is pulling back on that a little bit. >Republicans generally believe direct democracy Nowhere did I say the US was a direct democracy, I think that's what's t…

>You are thinking federalism vs anti-federalism.

Nope. At least not exclusively. The party's change over the years but we have essentially always had one party pushing for more direct democracy, and one party pulling against. A rose by any other name is still rose, but the philosophical idea of Republic government vs Democrat government is always there. And it's the key difference in the two parties.

>I don't see any evidence of this in modern politics. Which democrat has mentioned implementing a direct democracy?

The entire State of California is constantly riddled with ballot propositions, which is direct democracy in many case overturning the work done by their own representative legislature. And California is essentially a one party state so there is no one else to share the blame.

Federally, I can't go a week without reading about yet another proposal to eliminate the Electoral College and use a popular vote for President.

So if you're not seeing any evidence of it, where are you looking?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by yucky »

dragonwriter wrote: post #828
yucky wrote: post #764

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>A republic is a form of democracy. This strange differentiation came about as a GOP talking point in the early 2000s. What? No, this is not a recent talking point, it's the core philosophical difference in this country since day 1. The names of the parties Republican & Democrat aren't just random words, they represent the philosophical differences in where the bulk of the power in government should rest (the republi…

> The names of the parties Republican & Democrat aren't just random words, they represent the philosophical differences in where the bulk of the power in government should rest No, they don't. Also, the two original parties were the Democratic-Republican Party of Jefferson, Madison, et al. , and the Federalist Party of Hamilton, Adams, etc al. Both, BTW, favored what is, I modern terms, a democratic republic and a re…

Your post has the tone of disagreeing with what I said, yet never actually does.

The names of the parties change over the years, and the ideologies shift. But we have essentially always had one major party pushing to put more power directly into the hands of voters and another major party wanting to conserve the power in the established governmental frameworks.

The two current parties are no different in that regard. Democrats want to abolish the Electoral College and run government from Ballot propositions (direct democracy in action). Republicans are against those things and want to shift more power to the states of the Republic.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by XorNot »

germandiago wrote: post #146
XorNot wrote: post #86

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> I really do not accept that, I want to have friends from wherever, go with whoever and do business with whom I deem appropriate without asking permission to anyone. Ask yourself what Ukranian citizens would answer to that question.

I am not talking about that. I agree with you about that. I have a good Ukranian friend also, even I visited his home some months back (in Spain). The topic is why everyone gets involved in things that are far and foreign to them.

You are arguing that a Ukranian invasion means you should get to continue doing business with Russia freely because how could it affect you?

You are arguing you should continue to help fund the war, the weapons, the rapes and murders by Russian forces while they invade Ukraine.

You might have dressed it up in pretty prose, but your position is "guess a little genocide is just something we have to live with".

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by tedk-42 »

toast0 wrote: post #677
tedk-42 wrote: post #14

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Carr_(lawyer) Lawyer that opposed net neutrality and now voicing his disapproval of apps built by the China. Sounds like he's making a play to become a career politician using his version of what 'ok authoritarianism' is. I'd like to see someone actually prove a security risk rather than hypothetically posing it. I.e. show me 1000 tiktok downloaded videos run through a program wi…

> I'd like to see someone actually prove a security risk rather than hypothetically posing it. A security risk is by nature hypothetical. If the risk comes to fruition, it's no longer a risk, it's an event or an incident or whatever. I think it's right to say such data harvesting posses a security risk. I don't necessarily think the nationality of the corporation collecting it makes a huge difference though. If the c…

> A security risk is by nature hypothetical. If the risk comes to fruition, it's no longer a risk, it's an event or an incident or whatever.

Not true. CPU exploits come out all the time with proof of how to exploit / exfiltrate data. This claim of a 'risk' is unproven as it's based on a poor hypothesis of 'country has our data === bad'

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by tedk-42 »

worthless-trash wrote: post #27
tedk-42 wrote: post #14

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Carr_(lawyer) Lawyer that opposed net neutrality and now voicing his disapproval of apps built by the China. Sounds like he's making a play to become a career politician using his version of what 'ok authoritarianism' is. I'd like to see someone actually prove a security risk rather than hypothetically posing it. I.e. show me 1000 tiktok downloaded videos run through a program wi…

You're asking for the impossible as 'anyone' is not tiktok. We as individuals don't have access to that data, only tiktok does.. so we as individuals can't prove this to you. Edit: Removed ask to share all personal data, because its bad form.

I'm not asking for tik tok data specifically. I'm saying given a subset of X videos with metadata, show me how you can exfiltrate something of interest to a nation state.

Military bases have controls in place that ban things like tik tok + filming on site and even phones manufactured in China aren't allowed on site (they need to be checked in or whatever when you arrive at the entrypoint).

Prove this claim and then we can talk about the risk of apps like TikTok. Right now it's a false as saying Wifi signals cause brain cancer coz electromagnetism === bad for humans.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by [deleted] »

theplumber wrote: post #792
SkyMarshal wrote: post #788

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Not only a democracy, but a constitutional republic with an independent court and military, both of which are sworn to uphold that constitution and all the human rights it enumerates. We don't always succeed at that, but at least we have that as our society and government's guidestar, and legal and political processes for self-correcting. The Communist Party has exactly zero of any of that, and an ideology entirely o…

It looks like you've missed the past 10-20 years of history. You are a "party" supporter not a human rights(i.e privacy) supporter

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by roca »

akho wrote: post #436
roca wrote: post #363

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The CCP: -- Put a million Uighurs in camps -- Persecutes followers of pretty much all religions --- Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Falun Gong, etc -- Flat-out censors anything that offends them in the slightest -- Puts whoever they want into detention with no kind of due process, from small-time activists to billionaires -- Harvests the organs of (not previously dead) prisoners -- Had drones peering into apartment w…

I was speaking strictly about access of differing view / value systems to the voting ballot, not judging the systems a whole. China sucks more. (Though viewing China as a full autocracy with absolute power of a single individual is extremely simplistic)

Political representation of different view/value systems is much better in the USA than in China.

> (Though viewing China as a full autocracy with absolute power of a single individual is extremely simplistic)

It's overly simplistic, but less "overly" than it was 10 years ago.

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