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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by Rendello »

rubatuga wrote: post #826

To people who think this act is justified, this act was used in World War I, World War II, and in 1970 when Quebec had a terrorist group doing bombings, kidnappings, and murder. It’s insane, absolutely insane, to think these are equivalent. This protest is about anti-vaccine mandates... with bouncy castles. Part of me thinks this is political theatre to show how strong Canada is, with the ongoing Ukraine-Russia confl…

> The Emergencies Act (French: Loi sur les mesures d'urgence) is a law passed by the Parliament of Canada in 1988 which authorizes the federal government to take extraordinary temporary measures to respond to public welfare emergencies, public order emergencies, international emergencies and war emergencies.

The act you're referring to was the War Measures act, which has been repealed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act

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Post by rubatuga »

squarefoot wrote: post #274

I'm usually all in favor of workers protesting; not this time however. During war time food and resources are rationed; does people complain against the government? Nope. So why during a pandemic that in just two years killed 5 fucking millions people -and counting- should they protest against perfectly sound measures? Am I missing something, or "get vaccinated" doesn't even sound close to "one loaf of bread per day…

“Perfectly sound” crumbles on further inspection. First the protest is time sensitive. Consider all the relaxations that are happening with restrictions not only in Canada but globally. Canada has some of the most strict Covid laws in the world. Next the omicron virus is less dangerous, 90% of Canadians are vaccinated, and we have treatments for Covid patients in hospital. Your reasoning implies we should still be getting one loaf of bread today even though the war has ended.

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Post by rfrey »

_skel wrote: post #749
makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

It seems like these protests ought to be solvable by the police, using normal police powers, without resorting to emergency measures or doing things like freezing accounts and suspending truckers' licenses. Why not do the obvious thing: send the police in to arrest people who won't leave. Tow their trucks. That worked at the border the other day -- why wouldn't it work in Ottawa too? It's not like the Canadian police…

Tow truck companies at a blocked Alberta border crossing were reporting death threats from American extremists when their companies appeared on video recordings of the blockade. The RCMP reported they were unable to contract towing companies, apparently out of fear of retribution from 20 miles south.

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Post by rmbyrro »

makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

Well, at least for this matter, having crypto in a blockchain would be a good protection. Good luck for Trudeau to convince the entire Bitcoin or Ethereum network to freeze any particular wallet.

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

naasking wrote: post #374
squarefoot wrote: post #274

I'm usually all in favor of workers protesting; not this time however. During war time food and resources are rationed; does people complain against the government? Nope. So why during a pandemic that in just two years killed 5 fucking millions people -and counting- should they protest against perfectly sound measures? Am I missing something, or "get vaccinated" doesn't even sound close to "one loaf of bread per day…

The necessity for a lot of these restrictions were because of waste and underfunding of the healthcare system for decades. The significance of these protests will now change the calculus for future budgets and what sort of restrictions the public will accept in the future.

Ironic that the same people protesting those restrictions were by and large the same people who voted for leaders on platforms of reducing budgets by slashing healthcare.

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Post by epgui »

FpUser wrote: post #807
epgui wrote: post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the few who don’t comply to public health recommendations/orders are responsible for the greater share of the economic burden of disease, and this burden was totally preventable.

Utter BS. There were no orders but recommendations only in regards to vaccines. I understand you realize the difference between the order and recommendation. Recommendation does not require compliance. And the burden was caused by lockdowns and complete absence of vaccines in Canada for a big while

In the context of public health, "compliance" is a word that is used to refer to the percentage of people who follow expert advice. The same word, "compliance", is used to describe how many people take their prescribed pills properly and on schedule. The word doesn't only apply for "mandates" or "orders", and as you correctly pointed out, what ultimately matters is what people do.

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Post by Nursie »

ComradePhil wrote: post #528
andrew_ wrote: post #411

The number of comments on this that are just fine with wild authoritarian abuses like this "because vaccines are good" is astounding. People have such idealogical myopia and are shocked and appalled when the same measures are used against their interests.

Considering that: - the vaccines are relatively new and long term effects are unknowable, - efficacy against the current variant questionable and - the current variant being mild enough even in unvaccinated populations it is perfectly reasonable to have a significant percentage of the population to be unvaccinated, just to have a control for long term studies and for backup in case horrible side-effects come up in th…

Or, you know, completely in line with the public health measures needed to end a pandemic.

One or the other.

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Post by YeBanKo »

makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

He direct quotes: “They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist. It’s a very small group of people, but that doesn’t shy away from the fact that they take up some space.”

“This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people? Over 80% of the population of Quebec have done their duty by getting the shot. They are obviously not the issue in this situation.”- this is according to this article: https://thepulse.one/2022/01/03/prime-minister-justin-trudea...

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Post by perfopt »

cardy31 wrote: post #815
tw600040 wrote: post #436

When protests were happening in India this is what Trudeau had to say: "Let me remind you, Canada will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protesters. We believe in the process of dialogue. We’ve reached out through multiple means to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns. This is a moment for all of us to pull together,"Justin Trudeau said. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-…

But they aren’t being peaceful in Ottawa. They tried to burn down a condo building last night and have terrorized residents there for weeks now.

Nor were they peaceful in India. In addition to the violence against police a woman in the group was raped. A man was killed brutally.

The right to protest ends when it infringes on other's rights to go about their daily life. Occupying highways and roads for months on end is not a peaceful protest.

Canadian politicians, including some in the cabinet, supported violent protests in India. Canadian citizens fueled money to the protests in India.

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Post by absoluteharam »

jsnodlin wrote: post #149
makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

Good, blocking critical infrastructure and affecting hundreds of thousands of bottom lines is a crime.

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