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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by gregsq »

DangitBobby wrote: post #523
philshem wrote: post #460

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Thank you. As a cyclist and pedestrian (who does own a normally-sized car), I was getting pretty frustrated by the lack of safety discussed in the comments. https://twitter.com/lloydalter/status/1395326192908218371?s=...

Sounds like a common sense reasoning about this. Are there stats to back it up? Do trucks pose a significantly greater risk to cyclists and pedestrians? I'm actually a truck owning cyclist myself.

Front visibility issues come up from time to time. Especially with children sometimes hidden from sight.

https://www.wthr.com/mobile/article/news/investigations/13-i...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by fastball »

kingsuper20 wrote: post #466
bryanlarsen wrote: post #278

I get to eat my hat somewhat. I hope it's tasty. Just a few days ago I made the comment that the Cybertruck's killer feature is it's $40K price tag, if and only if that price tag actually happens. I said that Ford could not make a decent EV F-150 at that price point unless they throw their dealerships under the bus. And here we are with a $40K EV F-150. I'm glad I added the caveats though -- the $40K F150 is for comm…

I expect that a real advantage to an EV F150 over any Tesla truck (or car) will be repair costs, most particularly collision repairs. Of course, they'll always cost more than the estimates, plus you get to throw in sales tax and the annual registration tithe to the state. I'm always surprised that people are willing to spend so much on new vehicles but I guess it keeps the money moving through the economy. The spice…

Why do you think the F-150 Lightning will be cheaper to repair than the Cybertruck?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by fastball »

m463 wrote: post #815
bhouser wrote: post #472

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I think the $40k price tag is deceptive if you look a bit closer. The extended range 300 mile battery is only available on the Platinum edition which starts at $60k IIRC, otherwise you're stuck with 230 miles which IMO going to make the truck feel hamstringed. The $50k Cybertruck gets you 300 miles.

the $40k cybertruck gets you 250 miles. (...in late 2022)

The Lightning isn't supposed to be going until 2022 either, and Ford is having supply chain issues with chips, which this truck probably needs more than any car they've ever made, so we'll see which ships first.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mullingitover »

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> No Autopilot. This is a big sell for many EV users. As far as I know Ford is no where close to having a viable competitor.

Autopilot (as in ADAS Level 3) is and always will be vaporware on existing Teslas. Meanwhile my 2016 Civic has the same type of ADAS Level 2 driver assist. It's not quite as fancy as Tesla's version but it's 90% of what I need. I think for 90% of buyers, anything that does ADAS level 2 is fine.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

rootusrootus wrote: post #271
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. I agree that this is important, but it is 99% psychological. In the entire time I owned my Tesla, I used the supercharger a half dozen times. Most people with an EV that has 200+ miles of range will rarely use DC fast chargers.

Depends on where you live and what you do. I would agree, based on population density in most of the world, that this is probably true.

But in an area like New Mexico, there are lots of people doing jobs where they will drive 150+ miles per day without even thinking about.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #457
moralestapia wrote: post #376

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But how would you charge the truck?

At a charging station? A lot of people do a lot of their charging not at home already - at least in cities. Presumably this could / will be true in rural areas, too.

This is the opposite of what is usually said about EVs - that most people will charge them at home, overnight.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by N00bN00b »

fastball wrote: post #842
kingsuper20 wrote: post #466

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I expect that a real advantage to an EV F150 over any Tesla truck (or car) will be repair costs, most particularly collision repairs. Of course, they'll always cost more than the estimates, plus you get to throw in sales tax and the annual registration tithe to the state. I'm always surprised that people are willing to spend so much on new vehicles but I guess it keeps the money moving through the economy. The spice…

Why do you think the F-150 Lightning will be cheaper to repair than the Cybertruck?

Cybertruck is unpainted (or varnished) stainless, isn't it?

Means that you can't fix small dents with filler, have to swap panels instead.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by noobermin »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #795
zip1234 wrote: post #428

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Trucks are more dangerous to pedestrians because of the higher and flatter front--means people end up underneath rather than above if they are struck. I understand why they kept the look the same and why they used that space but in the future would prefer that they made changes to make it safer for everyone and not just the occupants. The high hoods make for poor visibility around the front.

Every single near-miss I've had while walking in Minneapolis has been due to the driver not paying attention. There wasn't a single time it was due to lack of visibility from inside the vehicle. My yelling at one driver who was staring at her phone while driving out of a parking ramp and across the sidewalk where she nearly hit me, probably woke her up enough to avoid driving into traffic and being hit by a bus! No,…

News articles[0] vs. anecdote

[0]https://www.wthr.com/article/news/investigations/13-investig...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by galangalalgol »

N00bN00b wrote: post #847
fastball wrote: post #842

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Why do you think the F-150 Lightning will be cheaper to repair than the Cybertruck?

Cybertruck is unpainted (or varnished) stainless, isn't it? Means that you can't fix small dents with filler, have to swap panels instead.

The cybertruck is unibody, there may not be a panel to swap. Body on frame is easier to fix major accidents as well. But getting a car that retains value andnis cheap to repair means after even major wrecks they won't total it and you get a car back that was bent back to mostly true.
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