I disagree with everything Parler, but this is a pretty steep ethical violation.
70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers
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I think the point is that you don't need to make "negative posts" about those topics, rather discussing them from any angle that isn't the accepted progressive orthodoxy results in the ban hammer.
> discussing them from any angle that isn't the accepted progressive orthodoxy results in the ban hammer What are some examples of this?
Another example: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9019539/Facebook-pr...
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I assume you've got some citations for that, right? I have been to r/politics and people get banned pretty quickly for calling for violence. I just went through the top 20 threads, and there isn't a single call for violence to be found.
Parler is banning those posts as well: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/parler-lin-wood-... The point is that there are bad actors and bad voices across these platforms, including those that are "okay" like Reddit, Facebook, and Twitter.
But they aren't. You can go there right now and find posts calling for violence. They have no automated system and have no plans to implement one which is why they were kicked off AWS. From the AWS letter they were kind enough to post:
>Recently, we’ve seen a steady increase in this violent content on your website, all of which violates our terms. It’s clear that Parler does not have an effective process to comply with the AWS terms of service. It also seems that Parler is still trying to determine its position on content moderation. You remove some violent content when contacted by us or others, but not always with urgency. Your CEO recently stated publicly that he doesn’t “feel responsible for any of this, and neither should the platform.” This morning, you shared that you have a plan to more proactively moderate violent content, but plan to do so manually with volunteers. It’s our view that this nascent plan to use volunteers to promptly identify and remove dangerous content will not work in light of the rapidly growing number of violent posts. This is further demonstrated by the fact that you still have not taken down much of the content that we’ve sent you. Given the unfortunate events that transpired this past week in Washington, D.C., there is serious risk that this type of content will further incite violence.
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/r/conservative moderates their platform to accept all types of conservatives, including the authoritarian "let's spend all our money on the military and censor everything we don't like" types. They also took in an massive influx of new users after the_donald was banned which permanently changed its discourse. And as the biggest right-leaning political subreddit, r/conservative also took in an influx of people postin…
Those "more libertarian subreddits" seem to have similar behaviors...
/r/libertarian was famously unmoderated for years until the drama a couple of years when the head moderator finally resurfaced and decided to step in after alt-right mods took over the sub:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/ajg8ng/rlib...
Slashdot is the only major site that was unmoderated in this sense - during the 10+ years I read it the only post ever removed was one with links to Scientology materials that they'd been threatened with litigation over. They replaced it with an explanation of why they'd removed the comment followed by a bunch of links to anti-Scientology sites :)
It had a lot of crap posted there but mostly coped with it, simpler times I think. Their system allowing you to choose the vote threshold for visible posts helped a lot with that.
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I did not say anything like that
I guess I'm confused as to the relevance to this thread. This person claimed that two attributes made Parler a "propaganda weapon", I noted that other major platforms have those same properties, so you tacked on another condition. Presumably this was all in an effort to say something along the lines of - "because of the unique situation Parler is in, these actions were permissible." No?
it's a sensational title
they are doing bulk scrapping of Parler and they do many other sites like Reddit too, and particularly stuff that is being taken down for archival purposes
also there is nothing - and I mean nothing, but particularly threats of violence - in Parler you don't see in Twitter in more abundance, only it's more typically leftists on Twitter and rightists on Parler
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Yeahhh... No. A good half the problems in the world are created when we try to force oversized round pegs through undersized square holes. Besides which, was Parler not the site that required excessive amounts of personal info just to sign up? That means if authentication failed open, that could mean that this researcher has obtained access to reams of PII. Which they'll deny or state that of courae they didn't colle…
Yeah, yes. Look at literally any time the democracy was seriously threatened and what happened to domestic liberty during that time.
Was it okay to place Japanese in internment camps? Not going to wait for an answer, because the answer should clearly be no. Curtailing domestic liberties is not okay regardless the circumstances.
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#847So long as we're talking about white supremacists and hacking, I remember when a "white supremacist" hacker weev was convicted and sentenced to 41 months in federal prison for reading a few thousand sequential ids from an AT&T webpage. He reported the vulnerability to AT&T and showed a limited example to a journalist. This seems far worse - so of course we can expect criminal prosecution of these "researchers"?
Why'd you put "white supremacist" in quotes? He's a proud neo nazi.
Because I don't know much else about him apart from that story and I don't trust the media when they call people white supremacists. I intend the quotes to indicate that people call him a white supremacist, not that I don't.
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Have you ever been to /r/politics? It's a groupthink circle jerk. The difference, of course, is that /r/conservative is explicitly defined as a conservative community while /r/politics implies they are some sort of neutral community which they most certainly are not. At any rate, finding a diverse community of ideological people coming together to discuss politics with intellectual fervor is rather difficult these da…
/r/moderatepolitics is pretty reasonable though the idea of "moderate" is more about speech than views.
Nobody has mentioned r/anime_titties yet. It's easily one of the best I was a part of when I was still on Reddit. Everyone had different opinions and viewpoints and things stayed very neutral. Even the mods preferred to comment on potentially shady links rather than delete them.
And no, this isn't a troll; it's one of those reverse-name subreddits.
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I find it hard to ridicule conservatives for the members that do them significant disservice through all the rather unhealthy obsessive conspiracy stuff because no conspiracy nonsense has been likely more amplified over about 4 years total at a nonstop pace, day in and day out by the propaganda organs of state than the Russian collusion conspiracy used to try to cap Trump at his knees. But let's also not forget that…
I feel bad for normal conservatives. They clearly exist, but they're getting quiet because the brand is severely tarnished right now. Then the only people talking are the Trump supporters, and the loop is reinforced.
I think you are mistaking something. Conservatism is not a brand. But what you are referring to is actually the vilification of the people who insist on wanting to keep (something they see as a right) what they have and built or was built for them by people who freely gave it to them. I suspect your misunderstanding of what conservatism is, is also a driving force that will destabilize things further because it is such a fundamental misunderstanding that conservatism is not like the brand of the Democratic party.
You appear to think of it as some kind of opposing sports team. I know the following will incense a lot of people here, but reality though is that the basic dualism is those how have and built something wanting to keep that; while those who did not build or have, want to acquire and take what they did not contribute to, build, or have. A thief is a person that wants what he did not create, deserve, or earn; yet wants to benefit from (or he would not steal it).
Essentially a person with such a mindset is a "liberal" with other people's things, opposed to a conservative that wants to keep what he earned as well as you keep what you legitimately earned. It's really just age old conflict captured in Aesop's fable of the Ants and the Grasshopper. That model manifests itself in the real world through things like the "communists" who want to take over what they don't understand and did not build and yet think they can operate, let alone even maintain; the people that object to huge student loans they willingly agreed to and want to benefit from, while not wanting to pay the cost; or immigrants to anywhere who want to receive what is essentially a part of the wealth and what others of a country built, not only zero cost, but to immense benefit and profit at the cost of the local population.
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Here are some interesting ones: https://twitter.com/MonkeyWrenchATX/status/13162253889059266... https://twitter.com/MonkeyWrenchATX/status/13089834842880450... https://twitter.com/Windstalker361/status/129150221759012044... https://twitter.com/ScothSenpai/status/1311436929351790592 I agree Parler is/was shit and yay for its death, but there IS a non-trivial amount of extremist stuff on Twitter as well and IMO letting…
The first two of those are non-violent opinions you clearly disagree with. The second two are pro gun ownership - which would be perceived as appeals to violence in most of the world, but in the US is a perfectly common political position. So this fails to support your false equivalence re: Parler and Twitter. There's actually plenty of extremist hate filled bile on twitter, but these are terrible examples. Search "#…
I just think, given the current milieu, that asserting that there is literally not such thing as a good cop (a hyperbolic and somewhat extremist statement by its very nature), and that stealing from corporations (I mean, there are lots of videos of people violently smashing into stores in recent months) that perhaps this is encouraging violence..
Yeah, you can twist the last 2 into a political position. But given the context, they seem to me to be appeals to violence.
I mean look at just a few tweets down on the same pro gun user:
https://twitter.com/Windstalker361/status/131033080427967283...
How is this not inciting violence? What else could "seizing the means of production" possibly mean in a tweet that literally shows off his/her set of assault weapons?
Or literally talking about killing pigs?
https://twitter.com/Windstalker361/status/130913405350173491...
I absolutely don't disagree that there are racial problems that we need to solve, or that the police need reforming. All I'm saying is that by not acknowledging that maybe this needs dealing with too, we are still going to have backlash by the other side.