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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#841

In a free and fair society, it is not dangerous to ask questions. It is very dangerous to be told that you are not allowed to ask questions. In a marketplace of ideas, with free sharing of information, bogus claims will eventually (usually quickly) collapse on themselves, and true claims will bear themselves out. Attempting to silence ideas, even potentially false and harmful ideas, is the greatest way to build a soc…

Perfectly said

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#842
I think it's interesting that some folks are calling this government censorship. Obviously, companies can decide what they want to spend money/computing resources/ storage/bandwidth on. I'm not sure why that appears to be contentious.

As for senators sending "a strongly worded request" that this material be removed, I'm also puzzled by why people would conflate that with actual governmental censorship.

From where I'm sitting, I'd guess that Google's algorithm has decided that the whole "stolen election" narrative produces fewer ad dollars than its counter argument. Maybe "the election wasn't stolen" is more widely accepted as consensus and therefore, there's less risk of companies reducing their YouTube ad buys.

I genuinely don't understand people's outrage when in order to accept this move by YouTube as either being ideological ("they're doing what they think is right! And they're wrong!") or motivated by being afraid of Congress ("those handful of senators in a party that doesn't control the majority are strongarming a multibillion dollar corporation. They couldn't possibly pour an unimaginable amount of money into lobbying for policies and candidates that are favorable to them. They're helpless!")

I genuinely do not care what editorial decisions YouTube makes. I do not rely on YouTube for my worldview, and I don't rely on it shaping other people's worldviews.

It seems that some of the people that are mad about this aren't mad that YouTube holds so much sway over so many people, but rather some are angry that that power isn't being used to further their interests.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#843

For as smart as many of the people on this site are, I'm shocked how many don't understand the fundamental principal that YouTube is a private company and can do whatever they please with speech. This isn't the government, this isn't first amendment.

In a few decades when your entire life - car keys, home keys, financial access, health records, etc are stored and controlled by a handful of corporations the “they’re private companies” excuse will sound much stupider than it does now.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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This is ridiculous. Regardless of your politics, this is just going the wrong direction. Where was this policy when the other side was pushing the Russia collusion narrative for years?

Nice false equivalence. Judges have ruled that Trump's side has failed to show any evidence of fraud in Court, losing 50/51 court cases, with the "win" having nothing to do with fraud[1]. On the other hand, there are literally thousand of pages from the Senate Committee on Intelligence showing evidence of Russian Interference in 2016. [2] [3], along with the Mueller Report [4]. Russian Interference in 2016 is not com…

Exactly true. However the Russian investigation spanned years. These things take a lot of time to work through the investigative process. Take a look here, https://hereistheevidence.com, which provides significant questionable items that still need to be investigated.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#846

https://www.engadget.com/youtube-election-misinformation-dem... So, i'm kind of curious how it's reasonable a political party can ask for partisan censorship. >YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki received a letter on Tuesday from four Democratic senators expressing “deep concern” over the spread of election misinformation on Google’s video platform. In the letter, senators Robert Menendez of New Jersey, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii…

Is it actually the government's agents censoring it, or is it a Zuckerberg owned website removing incorrect information? Do information platforms have any duty or obligation to not knowingly allow false information to spread in a democracy?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#847
Well, after reading thru the comments I am clearly not the target audience. It was fun while it lasted. Anyone know how I can delete my account? I need to add it to all the other accounts that I have deleted.

Good luck to you all. I thought this was a tech news site but apparently most people here seem to be actively working in the investigation process.

I don't know WTF has gotten in to everyone but I don't want any part of it anymore.

Like, for real, let me know if there is a way to delete my account.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#848

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even…

You get rid of bad ideas by engaging with them, not by shoving them out of sight.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#849

https://www.engadget.com/youtube-election-misinformation-dem... So, i'm kind of curious how it's reasonable a political party can ask for partisan censorship. >YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki received a letter on Tuesday from four Democratic senators expressing “deep concern” over the spread of election misinformation on Google’s video platform. In the letter, senators Robert Menendez of New Jersey, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii…

Here is the full letter https://www.menendez.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/YouTube%20Lett...

The use of the word "urge", instead of "request" or "demand", seems to imply that Google is within its rights to decide. The letter does not threaten any legal action if Google decides not to remove alleged misinformation. It does not allege that Google has broken any law. What the letter does request are answers to questions. It looks like a standard letter requesting information that we commonly see from US Senators to US tech companies.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#850
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This is an enormous overreach. > Given that, we will start removing any piece of content uploaded today (or anytime after) that misleads people by alleging that widespread fraud or errors changed the outcome of the 2020 U.S. Presidential election, in line with our approach towards historical U.S. Presidential elections. For example, we will remove videos claiming that a Presidential candidate won the election due to…

These claims are being slaughtered in ongoing court cases, and many of them are objectively batshit, like the guy who filed an affidavit about being prevented from observing vote counts because he drove to the wrong location, or the woman, central to the Texas suit against PA and MI, who claims the Obamas "funded the Wuhan lab where coronavirus was made". It is not the case that Google has to provide space for a clai…

20 states are now making this claim. Are you saying that half the government should be censored?
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