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Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by tadzik_ »

strbean wrote: post #553
tadzik_ wrote: post #422

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Given that game porters currently chose Metal over alternatives specifically to support the lucrative Apple market better, I'm pretty sure they'd jump ship instantly to Unity or something else that isn't an engina non grata. People have been bending over to Apple in their choice of technologies for at least as long as OSX is a thing. A gaming engine (not even the most popular one on mobile) isn't gonna change that at…

Jumping ship instantly from one engine to another isn't possible. You're talking about developers doing a full rewrite of their games. Sure, plenty of mobile games are crap that can be cranked out in a coke-fueled weekend (see Zynga). But there are also mobile games that required significant development effort to build.

Oh, of course. I meant it more in case of newly written games. The ones that already run UE4 may likely meet a slow, neglected death.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by dx034 »

fooey wrote: post #7

Seems pretty straightforward to me. If you sue me, and go out of your way to publically attack me, I'm not willing to do business with you until it's settled, if ever again.

It doesn't work like that. As a business you cannot refuse serving customers just because they sue you (especially B2B).

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by dx034 »

recursive wrote: post #227
Dahoon wrote: post #80

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I seriously hope you meant fortunately?

Why would it be fortunate to be compelled to do business with someone who's suing you?

So that your legal rights aren't undermined. Especially companies dependent on single large companies have the legal system as their only protection against abuse.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by arvinsim »

threeseed wrote: post #495
mantap wrote: post #453

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That's what they want you to think. Which is why they say it. Sounds better than "Tim made the order to retaliate, sayonara"

Given that there are lawsuits in place pretty sure they aren't going to lie about it. Question is how serious the multiple infractions are.

Doesn't that just make it worse for Apple for having arbitrary rules with nebulous requirements that they sometimes tolerate or at other times enforce?

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Post by dx034 »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #797
klmadfejno wrote: post #533

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Ok, but is the general point accurate?

No. You would be free to compile your copy of the Unreal Engine, but without the ability to use Apple development software, it would be impossible for Epic to continue developing the engine on Mac. The end result is that the engine would not continue to develop on Mac, and would eventually likely stop functioning.

Already with new ARM-based Macs, or have they already published a fully working version?

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by dx034 »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #141
Jonnax wrote: post #62

I don't understand the comparisons to game consoles. You buy an Xbox or a playstation, and it's a game playing machine. It just plays video games. You buy a mobile phone. And it's a general computing device. It's very much arguable that it's necessary for modern life.

That you expect that the xbox and playstation are not general-purpose computing devices is a massive PR win by Sony and Microsoft, and one that Apple wants to copy. Apple doesn't want you to think of an iPhone as a general-purpose computing device. They would prefer you to think of it as an Apple Store app-running machine, to say that it just plays Apple apps.

AFAIK consoles were never open to any game. Phones only became walled gardens with Apples Store. And they remain completely shut off to external apps only on iOS.

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Post by dx034 »

xemoka wrote: post #260
kllrnohj wrote: post #158

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Consoles don't open themselves up to any developer nor advertise themselves as such. Apple, however, definitely advertises the hell out of the App Store, which is open to anyone. Consoles also sell the hardware at a loss, and use game sales to subsidize it. There's different expectations, advertisements, and economics in play here.

Open to those with an Apple Developer account. It's not open to everyone. The licensing process is just easier than for consoles.

You pay a nominal fee and can publish an App. There's no selection process. Consoles however won't just let anyone on their platform.

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Post by dx034 »

LaGravedad wrote: post #101

Doesn't Epic ban kids when they violate the Fortnite TOS? Epic knew what they were doing. I have no sympathy for them.

Those kids just create a new account. They're not businesses with thousands of employees that are dependent on TOS enforcement by Epic.

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Post by dx034 »

captainmarble wrote: post #799

To bring up unfair issue, epic must first raise the issue legally, fight it in court.. NOT breach TOS first then claim got abused.

They created urgency. A case otherwise could've taken years for a first decision and would've been purely theoretical. They now need a decision within 14 days and can prove significant damage if the courts rule in Apple's favor (whereas Apple's damage is negligible if they're forced to leave Epic alone for a bit). The court case will be long either way but Epic can now show how harshly Apple reacts to enforcing the 30%, something they couldn't have done before.

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Post by ernst_klim »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #562
ernst_klim wrote: post #403

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> Then don't install unsigned apps. The problem is that most people know nothing about software distribution, signatures etc etc, and would become an easy target for fishers, as they do on Windows or Android. People oft underestimate how little avg user knows about computers and basic hygiene.

The problem is that most people know nothing about software distribution, signatures etc etc, and would become an easy target for fishers That doesn't sound like my problem, or, frankly, yours. If you create an environment where careless people never experience the consequences of their carelessness, then rest assured, you won't get fewer careless people or less careless behavior as a result. You will get more of bot…

> careless people

They are not careless, they are uneducated on topic. Are you advocating for finishing FDA and drug regulation, because if people bought wrong drugs, it's their carelessness and consequences are just?

That's nonsense. Historian should not know much about computers, just like me, a computer guy, should not know much about drugs. If there is a company allowing safe computing, which Apple is, people are better to stick with it, and you are better choosing linux or something and stop advocating for reducing people's choice.

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