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Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by p1necone »

pfranz wrote: post #496
danShumway wrote: post #481

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How would the ability to sideload apps force you to install apps outside of the Apple store? I'm not forced to use FDroid just because I have an Android phone. People aren't arguing that the app store should go away, just that consumers should have a choice. As an analogy, if I want OEM care for my car, I can get that. It's more expensive, but it offers me strict guarantees about where parts are coming from, and I do…

Just look at the PC platform Epic is coming from. It used to be just buying retail boxes, then Steam came along. Now it's Steam, Epic, Origin, Uplay. Personally, I hate keeping track of the separate apps and which games were purchased with each. So I avoid most of them even for games I want to play. Its one of the things that makes me prefer consoles. The current situation seems more anti-business than anti-consumer…

I don't see how consoles fix the issue, aren't they just another choice you have to make? There's three major ones and exclusivity is blocked behind a $400 paywall and having to use entirely different hardware.

The vast majority of games are available just on steam, if having choice bothers you just pick steam or maybe epic (but steam probably has more) and ignore the rest.

This is a bizarre argument to me. Can you imagine if there was only one supermarket brand, or only one department store. Don't you think that might turn out badly?

If it's really DRM that bothers you then the only big option is GOG.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by jackbrookes »

imtringued wrote: post #809
asien wrote: post #690

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Thats already the case , it’s Windows S. But you have the choice between regular Windows and Locked down version.

Not on ARM. There you only have a choice between Microsoft store apps or emulated x86 applications. You're not going to use Firefox on Windows on ARM unless you download the x86 version which will perform very poorly.

No, you can run native ARM apps sourced from outside the windows store.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

hijklmno wrote: post #696

It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog…

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by mantap »

pferde wrote: post #792
hijklmno wrote: post #711

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Take the money back and go where? Live in a hut? It's such enabling behaviors that embolden these elitists to lord over our lives. You can't let anyone be a gatekeeper to technology and progress. This applies to every major tech player. And this is the time that we need to make our voices heard.

Yes, sure, make your voice heard, fight against the abuses, that can only help. But at the same time, do not pretend that there are not any alternatives. Yes, perhaps those alternatives are not as convenient, but choosing them over the "wrong" choice should be an equal part of the fight. And "Live in a hut"? Please do not be overly maudlin. We are talking consumer electronics here - something that is still considered…

Even people living in actual huts have smartphones now. Seriously.

You can't meaningfully participate in society without access to the Internet, especially during a pandemic.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

hijklmno wrote: post #696

It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog…

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by ozim »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #705
danShumway wrote: post #481

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How would the ability to sideload apps force you to install apps outside of the Apple store? I'm not forced to use FDroid just because I have an Android phone. People aren't arguing that the app store should go away, just that consumers should have a choice. As an analogy, if I want OEM care for my car, I can get that. It's more expensive, but it offers me strict guarantees about where parts are coming from, and I do…

> The existence of a third-party marketplace doesn't change anything about that situation People will install insecure app stores to get a hot app. Facebook would likely launch a store with none of Apple’s spyware restrictions. Cisco and IBM and Microsoft would too, and with that come e.g. employer mandates for certain apps and thus certain stores. Apple regulates its App Store. Remove its distribution control and th…

Unfortunately no one will start their own store because that is huge investment.

You have the chicken and egg problem there. There are no apps so no users and no one is going to add apps because you don't have users.

Big companies could make their own apps to promote their own shop but let's be honest they would have to put a lot of money to get something good that everyone would use, not just generic crap.

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Post by shawnz »

cookieswumchorr wrote: post #773
thatguy0900 wrote: post #744

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Most people already lease phones, to them it wouldn't be that big of a change to just say you can only rent them

care to bring in some statistics? In what part of the world? I havent't found numbers, and my anecdotal experience is opposite

Carrier subsidized devices are the norm in North America.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by BillinghamJ »

fastball wrote: post #839

To everyone that is supporting Apple's position, let me run this hypothetical by you: You buy a Nespresso machine on Amazon. Some amount of the purchase price goes to Amazon for facilitating the transaction and delivering it to you, some goes to Nespresso for actually making the device. Cool. Then you get a pod subscription from Nespresso – let's say there is a touch screen on the coffee machine itself where you ente…

That is inaccurate. Your comparison would be closer if the purchase of pods was handled by Amazon

Any comparison with physically shipped goods isn't going to be particularly relevant here

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #483
monadic2 wrote: post #462

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It stopped being Big Brother's platform when they sold their first phone to a consumer.

Except it didn't. People wish that this was true, for lots of freedom related reasons. But it's not. The proof is pretty clear in the situation we're seeing now; if you actually controlled your iPhone, you and Epic could decide not to involve Apple. You cannot do that.

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by BillinghamJ »

everfree wrote: post #794
dustinmoris wrote: post #698

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> Personally, I would argue that consumers should have a legal right to install whatever software they wish on a product they have purchased, including onto the bundled operating system I fundamentally disagree and this is also a misrepresentation of the current situation. If I buy an open operating system which advertises that I can run on it what pleases me then I should have the right to carry out this freedom of…

> It's like saying I bought a petrol car but I should have a legal right to fill it up with Diesel or make it work with electricity. It's illogical. A much more apt analogy would be a Keurig machine that's only designed to take official k-cups, and your legal right to make it work with off-brand k-cups.

You do have that right, but Keurig is under no obligation to help you do it
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