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Post by Animats »

meheleventyone wrote: post #736
082349872349872 wrote: post #110

One can also check easily-discoverable recent US military policy https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23347453 to discover that those who think these things through don't condone "looting ⊃ shooting". Bonaparte was a fan of the "whiff of grape" https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_royaliste_du_13_v... but we all know how that ended.

Isn't it a long standing thing that the US Military use of force rules in warzones are generally more restrictive than the policies for use on their fellow citizens by police back home?

Not really. See FM-3-19.15, "Civil Disturbance Operations"[1]

[1] https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-19-15.pdf

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by GordonS »

partiallypro wrote: post #333

Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

As much as I hate Trump, this isn't a "Trump thing". This was someone with a large following who was very clearly and overtly threatening to turn a situation into a bloodbath.

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Post by scaredtobeme »

riffic wrote: post #466
lykahb wrote: post #351

The neutral companies, such as utilities, online hosting or financial providers serve nearly everyone with little objections - they defer to the law rather than any internal policies. The more selective companies such as newspapers and TV channels are expected to restrict who can get published. By representing itself both as an open platform and as a company with progressive values, Twitter has put itself into an awk…

Twitter has never been a "Utility" in the way that you may be imagining it to be.

The argument is that it's getting there. It's the leading platform for public debate in the US right now. Journalists spend their days refreshing their Twitter feed, so the effect isn't just in the size of Twitter's platform but its influence.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by zorpner »

logicslave wrote: post #826
zapita wrote: post #805

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, I'm half expecting them to ban him about twelve seconds after he leaves office. At the top management level, they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office (a plausible scenario at this point), and how that scenario affects their bottom line. They probably don’t want US institutions to dissolve into full-blown autocracy... But on the other hand, if that were to happen, then it would…

"they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office" I think you are very far from reality

How far do you think he would go in order to try?

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by chasd00 »

logicslave wrote: post #826
zapita wrote: post #805

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, I'm half expecting them to ban him about twelve seconds after he leaves office. At the top management level, they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office (a plausible scenario at this point), and how that scenario affects their bottom line. They probably don’t want US institutions to dissolve into full-blown autocracy... But on the other hand, if that were to happen, then it would…

"they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office" I think you are very far from reality

very very far from reality. i heard the same thing from liberal friends about GWB and i heard the same thing from conservative friends about Obama.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by meheleventyone »

Animats wrote: post #841
meheleventyone wrote: post #736

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it a long standing thing that the US Military use of force rules in warzones are generally more restrictive than the policies for use on their fellow citizens by police back home?

Not really. See FM-3-19.15, "Civil Disturbance Operations"[1] [1] https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-19-15.pdf

This isn’t very helpful which part would you like me to look at and how does that compare to actual rules of engagement in modern conflicts versus those used by the police?

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Post by arminiusreturns »

nowandlater wrote: post #813
dmoy wrote: post #801

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Yes One obvious example of this is simply ammo. Military bullets don't expand as much as bullets available to cops or civilians. A military bullet is explicitly not allowed to be an expanding hollow point which really messes you up. There are all sorts of international agreements on not using certain types of things in war - types of bullets are no exception.

Correct, hollow-point ammunition is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions. This has always baffled me since large caliber and high explosive munitions (120mm HEAT rounds from an Abrams) are regularly used against soft targets in combat, not to mention things like hellfire missles or JDAMs. That's the rules of war for you.

It's mostly because this isn't true, though lots of people love to wax on about what they think is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions. I've heard all kinds of stuff like this over the years, such as "you can't fire a 50 cal at a human" etc.

The Geneva Convention says nothing in particular about hollowpoints, so the verbiage has an "interpretation" by DoD about the Rules of Land Warfare that skirts around the issue . See https://www.justsecurity.org/25200/dod-law-war-manual-return...

I know this because I carried hollowpoints while deployed in an anti-terrorism capacity.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by seph-reed »

carapace wrote: post #750
seph-reed wrote: post #357

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They fucked this up so badly. They could have just banned him and said "It's a free country and they felt like it." Instead they're trying to high-road, and it's.. such a mistake.

The high-road leads to where we actually want to be. I was thinking about what you said in the other thread about trolls, and I think you're off-base. Trolls aren't zen master ego busters, they're the self-hating jerks they seem to be. The "zen master ego buster" story is just another layer of the ego trip.

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Post by seesawtron »

Animats wrote: post #79

Twitter policy: "We start from a position of assuming that people do not intend to violate our Rules. Unless a violation is so egregious that we must immediately suspend an account, we first try to educate people about our Rules and give them a chance to correct their behavior. We show the violator the offending Tweet(s), explain which Rule was broken, and require them to remove the content before they can Tweet agai…

I would imagine that accounts of "important" people are handled personally rather than by automated algorithm. As Jack Dorsey points out in this[0] Joe Rogan podcast, the reported tweets by public or algorithm are manually checked at some point.

Approx. 4000 employees of Twitter all around the world. Every day 100k (edit: 100M) tweets are sent. The reports of tweets that violate the platform policy are (reported by public) enter a queue. These are then inspected by personnel hired by Twitter (number varies proportionally to the scale reports in the queue).

The personnel then go through a series of steps to take an action such as making you verify again, delete those tweets, suspending the account, or in the last resort ban the user permanently.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZCBRHOg3PQ

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by techntoke »

troyvit wrote: post #676
eloff wrote: post #661

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They were fired and will face the justice system, which while it normally moves slowly, will move a little faster in this case thanks to top down pressure. I don't see how in a country with independent judiciary anything more can be done.

How fast would the justice system have moved if it was a black person killing a cop as opposed to a cop killing a black person?

Conservatives are too busy playing victim on social media to be worried about how African Americans are unfairly targeted and killed by police. They're mad that the President isn't allowed to encourage it.
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