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Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by lazide »

jaggederest wrote: post #754
stymaar wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it's auth-gated, it needs to be, well, authenticated. AFAIK, there isn't an single auth scheme on earth that guarantee human intervention[1]. Anyone can set-up a robot creating new users on a whim using single-use email addresses and even phone numbers. In fact, we know that OpenAI's agent have been doing exactly that when attacking Rubygem. And all AI labs are likely doing it for scrapping social media as well.…

The person who sets up that robot is the person responsible and effectively signing the contract by those actions. > Who are you gonna sue then? The person who set up the robot.

Good luck finding them or proving it, esp. if done via third party contractors in another jurisdiction

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Post by numpad0 »

trey-jones wrote: post #221

Regardless of the legality of the service: I always use xcancel instead of X. I don't have a twitter account and I don't want to sign in. I just occasionally want to read what some people had to say about something. Even this is usually a mistake. It's probably better taken as entertainment. My point is: companies stop making your product suck, and people won't have a reason to try and fix it for you.

^ this and the entire drama is just an ad campaign to make the rebranding stick. what is really going to work is to keep calling it Twitter, as it identifies itself, and slowly move over the scene to Bluesky/Mastodon.

What demoralize them the most is to show whoever pays for it doesn't matter.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by jader201 »

swed420 wrote: post #303
trey-jones wrote: post #221

Regardless of the legality of the service: I always use xcancel instead of X. I don't have a twitter account and I don't want to sign in. I just occasionally want to read what some people had to say about something. Even this is usually a mistake. It's probably better taken as entertainment. My point is: companies stop making your product suck, and people won't have a reason to try and fix it for you.

> My point is: companies stop making your product suck, and people won't have a reason to try and fix it for you. That assumes the company's behavior is rooted in ineptitude rather than malice, which is too generous at this point. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49695912

Both can cause a product to suck.

A company can make their produce suck, on purpose (out of malice), because it fits their bottom line better (at least, in the short term) vs. a better UX.

OP may simply be asking companies to put their customers ahead of their (short-term) profit.

Reddit is another great example of this, where users have been looking for workarounds to their (increasingly more) hostile login wall since they started pressuring people to use their app for years.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by includenotfound »

qlte wrote: post #707
nailer wrote: post #598

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'Echo chamber' is an odd thing to say. X has many center left and hard left accounts, they're not banned in the same "women can't be men" was during Woke 1.0.

...really? Elon Musk declares ‘cis’ and ‘cisgender’ will be considered slurs on Twitter that can be punishable with suspension https://fortune.com/2023/06/21/elon-musk-declares-cis-cisgen...

https://x.com/search?q=cisgender&src=typed_query&f=live

There are tons and tons of people using the term. All the time. Last result was 11 seconds ago (as of posting this).

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by karim79 »

trey-jones wrote: post #221

Regardless of the legality of the service: I always use xcancel instead of X. I don't have a twitter account and I don't want to sign in. I just occasionally want to read what some people had to say about something. Even this is usually a mistake. It's probably better taken as entertainment. My point is: companies stop making your product suck, and people won't have a reason to try and fix it for you.

Enshittification is the new normal, unfortunately.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by angoragoats »

throwatdem12311 wrote: post #801
angoragoats wrote: post #757

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am speaking about free speech (lowercase, in the colloquial sense), not Free Speech (the constitutional right). In the context of this type of free speech, if you have two identical posts, and one is behind a login wall and one isn’t, the one not behind the login wall is objectively more free.

> I am speaking about free speech (lowercase, in the colloquial sense), not Free Speech (the constitutional right). So am I. If a comedian is doing a bit at a bar and they charge a $5 cover to get in is that infringing on “free speech”. Of course not, that’s absurd. Why would be it any different online?

> if you have two identical posts, and one is behind a login wall and one isn’t, the one not behind the login wall is objectively more free.

Do you disagree with this statement? If so, why?

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by socalgal2 »

muyuu wrote: post #819
spuz wrote: post #404

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The decision to force you to sign in to view replies is clearly not by accident or ineptitude. It's probably not malice either - just a business decision.

It's pretty much the standard to either soft-block or hard- block access into silos. Facebook, Reddit, YouTube, Instagram, Tiktok, etc ... all do it. Of course it's an openly anti-consumer practice, but it's one they get away with when they're big enough to flip the service burden to the client.

how is it anti-consumer? Claiming you should be able to freely access the content on some service feels like claiming you should be able to walk into any fast-food place and help yourself to their soda machine.

A business is free to choose that you must login to access their content and you are free to choose not to do business with them if you don't like it. I generally chose the latter

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by Terr_ »

proc0 wrote: post #680
ralfd wrote: post #305

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Come on, be honest, what did you do?

It happened to me this past weekend. I post engineering related things, and out of nowhere blocked, no reason, no email, no communication. I just sent an "appeal" but don't know what the hell I'm appealing. This destroys my trust not just in X, but in social media. If bots are this big of a problem, then I guess I can't use them if there is a risk out of nowhere my account is hit. The network effect is real though.

Had this happen on Reddit, and the kafkaesque injustice rankles.

No reason, no communication, just one morning 10+ years of posts and comments all gone as well as anyone who had ever replied. The "appeals" page said my appeal (for ???) was granted, but it's still broken, and the appeals page lies and mocks my by claiming my account is in good-standing as a reason not to let me contact anyone. And good luck contacting anyone with a new account when it infects the new one!

Especially on the tail end of COVID isolation, it was a social sucker-punch, a whole online identity gone, with no reason or solution. I considered responding to their pre-IPO email offers just to contact someone...

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by IcyWindows »

WarmWash wrote: post #654
swed420 wrote: post #628

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> There also is the fact that a large amount of FLOSS is an exercise in resume building (FLOSS contributions is SWE resume building 101) Not all of it. Plus, we could say the same thing about the typical worker at the average modern company. Google's product graveyard is a popular example of this. Resume padding, job hopping and ladder climbing are the norm now. In that respect, I can see why you're so pessimistic ab…

The key thing to address is the near zero marginal cost part. If the philosophy extended beyond a binary blob, we would have a whole parallel economy of free tangible goods, from workers using their expertise on their own time. But this basically doesn't exist because real costs are involved.

What about books or art or movies?

The electronic version of all those is also near zero marginal cost.

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