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Re: How to earn a billion dollars

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The essay kind of misses the point, as the question was mostly about the meaning of word "earned". "Earned income", for tax purposes, matches pretty closely the kinds of income many people consider genuinely earned in the moral sense. From this perspective, if a startup grows organically and the founders become rich, they have earned it. But if the growth requires capital (an investment, a loan, or the wealth the fou…

Halfway through your second paragraph you started conflating income with wealth/capital. The wealth controlled by a startup investor becomes earned income, in your words, when the founder receives pay for their work, in the form of cash or exercised options or whatever else. To get that earned income, which is derived from wealth but is not the wealth, they have to earn it in the same way the wagies in your first par…

> when the founder receives pay for their work, in the form of cash or exercised options or whatever else.

No. Earned income is salary, and taxed as such. Unearned income is capital gains, exercised options, etc, not taxed as income. It's pretty easy.

If we just use this tax office definition, it's effectively impossible to earn a billion dollars because you'd need to pay yourself ~$1.6 billion dollars in salary (depending on where you live), and very, very, few people can afford to do that

Re: How to earn a billion dollars

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"What she meant was that it's impossible to get that rich without doing something bad — without cheating in some way."

AOC was right.

Airbnb disregarded their impact on rents in touristic cities, and competed with hotels by running faster than regulations.

Kalshi is gambling.

Doordash leveraged underpaid delivery drivers on unfair contracts.

Instacart cheated con consumer fees.

Reddit was based on (milked and abused) volunteer moderators.

I stop because I don't know all the 30 billionaires that YC created... But this subset of companies should cover 30% of them.

I am happy we have innovation in the world, but claiming these things are not bad for society and ways to cheat to the top is... Lying

Re: How to earn a billion dollars

#833

She's saying nobody can truly work a billion times more, a billion times harder, a billion times smarter, so nobody can actually earn a billion dollars. Given that, how can some people be worth as much? There has to be some capture of wealth somewhere such that even though nobody can actually earn as much, they can be worth as much.

Your unstated assumption here is that all work (per unit of time) is equally valuable.

Not really. That's why I said no one can work a billion times smarter.

There is a "hack" to wealth, and PG has explained it here. You need a large addressable market with little competition where you can capture a small amount of value from a huge number of people at scale.

Individually, that value is often not worth much. A surgeon can save your life, and you'd give up most of your fortune for it. A starving person would do almost anything for food. Most startups don't create that kind of value for any one customer. They create a little bit of value for a lot of customers, and at scale that turns into enormous wealth.

That's what people are arguing when they say scale is a form of cheating. Maybe you got into the position to own it through harder work, smarter decisions, more risk taking, more grit, or more luck. But not a billion times more. Once you own it, you've locked yourself into a growth curve that scales with little additional work. In many cases, it gets easier as it grows.

Past a certain point, wealth is no longer tied to your work. It's tied to your ownership.

That's also why CEOs want equity. They don't want to be paid solely for their labor. They want ownership in large scale production so they can benefit from the growth of the system itself and eventually sell that ownership for far more than they could ever earn through wages alone.

This is why, as a software engineer, I favor equity compensation and have benefited from it myself. But I don't think I've worked harder than countless people in jobs that don't have this characteristic.

I wasn't paid more because I worked more. I was paid more because I owned something that scaled.

That's the "cheat."

Re: How to earn a billion dollars

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Having been on HN for 15+ years I have found it fascinating to witness the fawning and adulation over pg blog posts completely reverse and everyone has turned on him now. It used to be if you criticized anything in his blogs you’d get downvoted to oblivion. Now criticism is the norm. As far as I can tell it’s less a change in pg’s viewpoints (though the topics have evolved, and he has gotten more transparent perhaps)…

The new generation is struggling with self-determinism and individualism. This should not come as a surprise when they are forced to live with roommates because they can't afford a house or even an apartment to themselves because every cent is being analyzed for optimal extraction from them.

> This should not come as a surprise when they are forced to live with roommates because they can't afford a house or even an apartment to themselves because every cent is being analyzed for optimal extraction from them.

Just so you know, the new generation is investing earlier than the previous generation.

Gen Z is also outpacing millenials on home ownership https://www.npr.org/2026/05/15/nx-s1-5791499/gen-z-homeowner...

The idea that the latest generation is not benefiting from the current situation is in your head, not reality.

Re: How to earn a billion dollars

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Paul focused on the most beneficial pathway - finding product market fit and growing into it - what many of us here aspire to provide.

What comes after?

Both things can be true:

- the incredible benefit brought about by YC companies as they grow into their markets and mint billionaire founders... - monopolizing, price fixing, what can feel like gouging, etc. as the temptations of what may be currently possible war with what may be ultimately wise (and for whom)...

Kind of like: - the temptation to appeal to the increasingly common set of hash-taggable moral & political absolutes... - the more measured, wisdom-dense sharing the best possible, and fortunately (hopefully? maybe?) most common form of billionaire-minting...

Is, or was there previously, a different, more American-value-compatible status quo?

... Historically did we IPO earlier, leaving more of the exponential on the table, leading to greater public wealth, resilience, opportunity, and capability? ... Is the profit-margin gas pedal ever pumped a tad aggressively preceding this, inducing trust wobbles in the public and customers as prices are raised and services degraded the quarter before, with share price corrections the quarter after? ... Do we (should we) maintain relatable humility in the face of success and wealth - surely earned, though perhaps better enjoyed by more enduring trophies (disease eradication; public works enhancements; life extension progress) than a mega-yacht in the Mediterranean?

Very easy to be a keyboard-warrior. Very hard to provide $1B in new capability and value.

Good read as always. Back to work.

Re: How to earn a billion dollars

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There's no resource destruction involved in displacing taxi drivers. Taxi medallions are a rent-seeking scheme, there's no real scarcity involved. Most other instances of "creative destruction" are like that, the capital simply gets repurposed at negligible social cost and only excess profits disappear.

Taxi medallions aren't a thing in lots of cities that have taxis. All Uber did was outpace regulations in many cities.

Yeah, offering an alternative free of terrible rentseeking regulation

Re: How to earn a billion dollars

#837
Make a billion / deserve a billion. Ok.

Given how tech has gone from nerdy underdog to Orwellian, Machiavellian, dopamine-peddling overlord, I’m actually a bit surprised people aren’t more angry / upset.

Over the last 40 years there has been two career paths with “disproportionate leverage”: tech and finance.

I believe in capitalism, contracts and the rule of law. A founder starting a company and attracting capital, employees and customers and generating tremendous wealth I see as an opportunity, not a bug.

But if I were in a normal career the wealth generated by tech & finance would certainly look & feel like some form of cheat code.

The last forty years have been a huge transient. Massive. AI will probably push it even further.

I hope we as a society and democracy can survive the strain.

Re: How to earn a billion dollars

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False, you just make something very valuable. To get people to help you make it you offer to pay them and they willingly exchange their time for that money (or equity if they also think it will be very valuable someday or you have a record of making valuable things in the past) Who is the person swindled here? Who agreed to something and was deceived? Who was stolen from? This process is net wealth creation. The weal…

Ever experienced being the founding engineer and getting 0.5-2.5%? The amount of work done by the founding engineer for the amount of equity they usually get, there is definitely an unfair exchange here. I'd say the founding engineer is 99% of the time better off finding a non-technical co-founder and building something for 50% each.

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Re: How to earn a billion dollars

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What if -- bear with me here -- it's possible for bright, motivated founders to create startups that your kids can work in, but those founders could be content with merely making a hundred million dollars? Because, and I don't know if you know this so you may have to take it on faith, that is still so much money that said founder and their family and very likely their descendants can live in extreme luxury for the re…

How exactly do you propose keeping a founder from becoming wealthier once their company scales past the point where they are worth a hundred million?

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Re: How to earn a billion dollars

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The amount of negativity to this is depressing. No one seems to be contradicting anything he's saying here, instead it's just vacuous ideology "extraction" etc etc. Purposely narrow reading. I've got kids, I want people creating start ups they can work in, the alternative is too grim.

Having been on HN for 15+ years I have found it fascinating to witness the fawning and adulation over pg blog posts completely reverse and everyone has turned on him now. It used to be if you criticized anything in his blogs you’d get downvoted to oblivion. Now criticism is the norm. As far as I can tell it’s less a change in pg’s viewpoints (though the topics have evolved, and he has gotten more transparent perhaps)…

The people on HN have changed. It used to be founders and people doing things. Founders of some now huge companies were on HN. Interesting and well known hackers too. Now it's SWEs who work in big tech, hate their jobs and are afraid of being laid off who just parrot politically expedient current talking points. x.com is more interesting these days, even for tech.
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