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Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by joxdosba »

raddichio wrote: post #826
joxdosba wrote: post #790

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Fuck Jews” cannot reasonably be interpreted as a threat. It’s a nasty antisemitic thing to say, but that’s all it is.

A lot of people shout 'Free Palestine' before doing some vigilante violence (shooting in DC, firebombing I'm Boulder), so wouldn't that make security officials jumpy? The whataboutism of Israel being more 'evil' doesn't mitigate the security threat.

I hear “free Palestine” shouted tens, or hundreds of times every day while walking outside on the street.

Only time violence is involved is when drunk American or Israeli tourists get uppity, otherwise the protestors just stand there and make noise.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by solenoid0937 »

madeofpalk wrote: post #702
neilv wrote: post #178

I once consulted on some aviation-related software (not the safety work prominent on my resume), and a company announcement came through, that you must never use a few specific words commonly heard in software development. The two no-no words I recall were "crash" and "bomb". Don't write them in code or documents, don't say them on the phone or videoconf, etc. Those terms have senses that people in aviation take extr…

Similarly, I worked on in-flight user-facing software, and we were allowed to use a “plane pointing downwards” icon to denote arrival time, because the connotations to crash were too strong. No one believed that the icon would make the plane crash, but it’s about creating an environment that makes people feel as safe and comfortable as possible. You don’t want people freaking out when they’re locked in a small metal…

JFC, we have coddled people way too much. People have cordoned themselves off into perfectly manicured little boxes so they lose the fucking plot as soon as they see something unexpected.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by limagnolia »

lazide wrote: post #801
47282847 wrote: post #711

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A design flaw it only becomes due to people’s violent acts. If the goal is safety, we should spend more time helping people process their shit and less on raising shields. They only make people more angry. Everybody draws the line differently, but pushing your data on somebody else’s device without their consent is an intrusion, and as such I consider it to be an act of violence. We need to grow up and understand how…

Unsolicited Dirty pictures via a protocol which is easy to disable (and rarely used anyway) vs getting punched in the face or shanked? Really?

I don't think it was presented as an "vs". Both can be a form of violence, even if one is much worse than the other.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by 47282847 »

lazide wrote: post #801
47282847 wrote: post #711

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A design flaw it only becomes due to people’s violent acts. If the goal is safety, we should spend more time helping people process their shit and less on raising shields. They only make people more angry. Everybody draws the line differently, but pushing your data on somebody else’s device without their consent is an intrusion, and as such I consider it to be an act of violence. We need to grow up and understand how…

Unsolicited Dirty pictures via a protocol which is easy to disable (and rarely used anyway) vs getting punched in the face or shanked? Really?

Why the “vs”?! All three acts are acts of violence. We can order them by our own judgment of intensity, but they’re still all violent. And as such also expressions of pain/hurt, which will lead to further expressions until it is finally seen and addressed. We all know this, but still act like we don’t.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by quietbritishjim »

jMyles wrote: post #756
voidpointer wrote: post #717

According to the article, it was a Fitbit device belonging to a teenager... Chances are, the kid selected that nickname for the device a long while ago and forgot about it, and was probably unaware that the device was using Bluetooth at all, and that they should turn off their fitness tracker when the announcement came through... At the same time, some people in the comments under the article are more or less calling…

> some people in the comments The commenters' status as people (I presume here you mean biological humans) seems unlikely to me.

I wouldn't like to guess either way about this particular article, but it's possible many really are people. Certainly there were plenty of online commenters for news articles reacting in exactly this sort of way long before there were LLMs.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by watwut »

Neil44 wrote: post #687
watwut wrote: post #682

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is censorship of opposition to genocide. True unambigous political censorship

There are numerous spaces and opportunities for you to express your opinions. In fact almost anywhere else (in the US anyway)

Except that this exact thing is the exact thing being censored everywhere around US.

Second, you know full well such name is not a threat, neither passive no active. The reason for that being not allowed is not a threat or abundance of other options. It has nothing to do with any of that. It is just a continuation of the above strategy.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by throw4788547 »

joxdosba wrote: post #831
raddichio wrote: post #826

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people shout 'Free Palestine' before doing some vigilante violence (shooting in DC, firebombing I'm Boulder), so wouldn't that make security officials jumpy? The whataboutism of Israel being more 'evil' doesn't mitigate the security threat.

I hear “free Palestine” shouted tens, or hundreds of times every day while walking outside on the street. Only time violence is involved is when drunk American or Israeli tourists get uppity, otherwise the protestors just stand there and make noise.

How would you, or the protesters you hang out with daily, feel if someone shouted “Fuck Gaza”?

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by pjc50 »

Andrex wrote: post #753
voidpointer wrote: post #717

According to the article, it was a Fitbit device belonging to a teenager... Chances are, the kid selected that nickname for the device a long while ago and forgot about it, and was probably unaware that the device was using Bluetooth at all, and that they should turn off their fitness tracker when the announcement came through... At the same time, some people in the comments under the article are more or less calling…

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There is something deeply stupid about assuming that naming your bluetooth device "bomb" is a real threat, let alone that it's going to be a real bomb. Reminds me of all those post Columbine "zero tolerance" policies where kids were punished for marginal doodles of guns. Or the "twitter joke trial". It's as is people are string matching for threat shaped words, not the semantics of a threat.

Mind you, this gets harder when powerful people have got in the habit of making mostly-joking threats on social media themselves.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by anang »

godelski wrote: post #525
srean wrote: post #518

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What would have been your estimated odds, of a plane hitting twin towers out of malice, a day before 9/11 happened. I agree with your comments more often than not, I empathize with your annoyance, but if you play out the game theoretic consequences there are no non-annoying outcomes. I don't like it but that's how it is. Low probability events with outsized consequences are very difficult to reason through. One poten…

> What would have been your estimated odds, of a plane hitting twin towers out of malice, a day before 9/11 happened. Lower than walking outside and finding the winning powerball ticket and getting struck by lightning. It's not an impossible thing to happen but it is so unlikely that I don't go around letting the idea dictate anything about my life. It doesn't matter that I know this has happened to somebody, that's…

> It's not an impossible thing to happen but it is so unlikely that I don't go around letting the idea dictate anything about my life.

Another take: the likelihood of getting struck by lightening surely dictates what you do during a thunderstorm? In the same way that the likelihood (or lack there of) dictates how often you buy lottery tickets.

If we didn’t attempt to mitigate terrorist attacks at all, would they be as infrequent as they are now? I know that’s not really what you’re saying, but surely likelihood is extremely dependent on circumstances.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by joxdosba »

throw4788547 wrote: post #837
joxdosba wrote: post #831

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear “free Palestine” shouted tens, or hundreds of times every day while walking outside on the street. Only time violence is involved is when drunk American or Israeli tourists get uppity, otherwise the protestors just stand there and make noise.

How would you, or the protesters you hang out with daily, feel if someone shouted “Fuck Gaza”?

I wouldn’t care. I certainly wouldn’t feel threatened.

Not sure about the protesters, I usually try to keep my distance to avoid hearing damage.

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