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Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by tim-tday »

jurschreuder wrote: post #690

“We live in the age of computers,” Eaton said. “It must be possible for Customs Service to program its computers so it doesn’t need a manual review.” In DHL the link to get tax documents is already broken for a year or so, so I cannot get VAT back on DHL shipments. With FedEx I can but it's a manual process of screenshotting a bank transaction and emailing a specific email address with a shipping number. When tariffs…

People are really good at using computers when it comes to taking your money. Really bad at using computers when it comes to giving you money. You can’t explain that.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by tim-tday »

sowbug wrote: post #669
gmd63 wrote: post #656

This is just the citizenry paying double tariffs. First, we bought the higher priced goods. Now, the companies are trying to take our tariff payments again, this time from the government, to "make up" for the tariff money that we had already paid them in the first place. What should happen is that $X of the budget should be put into escrow for the next administration to use after these criminals make their way out.

Maybe triple. (1) paid higher prices, (2) the government will issue debt to refund the tariffs to importers who we already reimbursed through higher prices, and then (3) Congress will use the extra debt from the refunds as justification for higher individual taxes to pay for the 2025 tax cuts for businesses.

That’s the American way

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by komali2 »

Mc_Big_G wrote: post #743
light_hue_1 wrote: post #714

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The people are to blame. Both the people who voted for the criminal to be president. And the people who supported such a horrible Democratic candidate that she couldn't even win against Trump.

So everyone are to blame except the exceedingly small number of people who supported third party candidates that had no chance?

Yes, because that's several million people, and the elected democrat officials count in the hundreds.

It's actually tens of millions, if you count eligible voters that didn't vote. Not to mention the tens of millions of voters for the other Party.

People don't lose elections, campaigns do. And when they do, out of a refusal to accept responsibility, they cast blame outwards. They try to get people to blame each other, rather than the frankly quite obvious people at fault.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by UltraSane »

braincat31415 wrote: post #830
UltraSane wrote: post #829

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are saying exactly what a Putin shill would say, that Putin's victory is certain so don't even try to fight him.

Hehehe. Nice try. All I am saying this is not our fight. If you really think it is, don't be a coward and join in, instead of having Ukrainians die for you. Thank you for proving what I said at the very beginning of this conversation. Say something that makes perfect sense, democrats like you would label a Putin shill. Say someting against Trump's policy, get labeled a libtard. Both get us into moronic wars. No wonde…

You keep repeating stupid Russian talking points about the war. Russia invaded Ukraine with the goal of taking it all over and Ukranians are defending their country because they don't want to be part of Russia. This isn't hard to understand.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by braincat31415 »

UltraSane wrote: post #834
braincat31415 wrote: post #830

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hehehe. Nice try. All I am saying this is not our fight. If you really think it is, don't be a coward and join in, instead of having Ukrainians die for you. Thank you for proving what I said at the very beginning of this conversation. Say something that makes perfect sense, democrats like you would label a Putin shill. Say someting against Trump's policy, get labeled a libtard. Both get us into moronic wars. No wonde…

You keep repeating stupid Russian talking points about the war. Russia invaded Ukraine with the goal of taking it all over and Ukranians are defending their country because they don't want to be part of Russia. This isn't hard to understand.

You must be really dense. I don't repeat anything. I am saying that I am paying through the nose to heat my house as a result. I don't give a flying duck about your Ukraine and Iran. None. Got it? Saving the patch of dirt on the other side of the planet will not motivate me to vote for your party. Reducing cost of living will. Hopefully more and more people feel the same way.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by UltraSane »

braincat31415 wrote: post #835
UltraSane wrote: post #834

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You keep repeating stupid Russian talking points about the war. Russia invaded Ukraine with the goal of taking it all over and Ukranians are defending their country because they don't want to be part of Russia. This isn't hard to understand.

You must be really dense. I don't repeat anything. I am saying that I am paying through the nose to heat my house as a result. I don't give a flying duck about your Ukraine and Iran. None. Got it? Saving the patch of dirt on the other side of the planet will not motivate me to vote for your party. Reducing cost of living will. Hopefully more and more people feel the same way.

Sounds like your house is poorly insulated.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by mhb »

wutwutwat wrote: post #814
mhb wrote: post #752

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I know you're being cute, but businesses generally don't pass all the costs of increased COGS on to customers.

Not being cute, being a realist who exists in this world, so take your condescending nickname and go read up on tariffs, will ya, babe. The Bottom Line: While the goal of a tariff is often to protect domestic industry, the immediate effect is almost always a "consumption tax" paid by the person at the end of the line: you.

So you're backtracking and now are saying that that's how tariffs work; not how capitalism works? Got it.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by donkeybeer »

rayiner wrote: post #797
Sparkle-san wrote: post #667

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That approach may need to be reexamined as it didn't appear to work. https://seekingalpha.com/article/4872657-us-goods-trade-defi...

It will take decades to work.

It will be a decades long path to ruin.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by phil21 »

fzeindl wrote: post #693
phil21 wrote: post #547

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I think there actually was a lot of surprise from executives coming out of COVID that they could raise prices so high without it impacting consumer demand in the ways they had previously predicted. The Chipotle earnings calls were pretty much the prime example of this. CEO more or less expressing amazement at how elastic consumers were on pricing, and that due to the increases not impacting sales volume they planned…

> Almost no one is shopping multiple supermarkets, buying cheaper alternatives, buying in-season veggies and fruit when it’s cheap, waiting for sales to stock up, buying in bulk and freezing, using coupons, meal planning based on the latest supermarket Sunday circular, etc. only a tiny minority of people have been doing so. I don‘t know where this observation comes from, but here in Austria a majority of people in lo…

> I don‘t know where this observation comes from, but here in Austria a majority of people in lower income sectors than IT do all of this?

The observation comes from myself, from a medium to low income background. Think mechanics, janitors, construction laborers, etc. family background. Along with most of my peers and extended family members.

The "old" generation - e.g. my grandparents did all those things. Their kids (for the most parts, exceptions do exist) and my generation (and my kids) do basically none of them. They go to whatever supermarket they go to every week or two, stock up on whatever they usually buy, and that's it. Zero consideration for anything else. It is very surprising to me.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Post by dweinus »

dweinus wrote: post #270
duxup wrote: post #96

Absolutely absurd that we’re at this point. The courts / SCOTUS let the government roll out a massive and obviously illegal tax on citizens for a long time. They should have stepped in earlier. Now we the people probably don’t get our money back….

There is no probably; we not getting our money back. In fact, any of the money that has been spent in the meantime (say to make up for wealthy tax cuts or to expand military or border funding) we get to pay again!

Spoiler alert: they spent it all.

According to the federal report yesterday:

> CBO estimates spending totaled $621 billion, or $18 billion more than February 2025. Revenue totaled $314 billion, which is up $17 billion from the same time last year due to an increase in collections of customs duties from tariff policies and increased income and payroll tax receipts.

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