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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

Arainach wrote: post #826
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #820

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> It's not something that's quantifiable, and it's easily manipulable. The iPhone(tm) has a twelth-generation quantum superconducting wonderflonium chip that enables (pile of technobabble garbage) and "privacy". That's the marketing noise from the company itself. Then you go to Reddit or similar and ask technically competent people what they recommend. > Even the ones with technologically savvy friends don't want the…

>Microsoft was completely abandoned in the mobile market because they were so widely hated. This was not a factor. Windows phone lost because they didn't have apps. They didn't have apps because they rewrote between Windows Mobile 6 and WP7, and rewrote between WP7 and WP8, and rewrote between between WP8.1 and WP10. That's a lot of work for developers and they didn't have enough users to justify developers rewriting…

> This was not a factor. Windows phone lost because they didn't have apps.

They didn't have apps because nobody likes them. If you're a user and you expect them to be well-liked then you buy the phone expecting others to buy the phone and developers to target it. If you're a developer then you make apps expecting enough users to buy the phone.

But if you don't like them and you're not sure anybody else is going to like them then you play wait and see instead, and so does everybody else, and so they have no apps and no users and people start to see that they have no apps and no users.

Which is why they kept changing things trying to force people to do it, giving Windows 8 that widely-disliked tablet interface on desktops etc.

> YouTube refused to write an app and sued to block Microsoft from writing their own YouTube client

Oh no, did someone with a dominant OS market share do an anti-competitive thing to Microsoft?

You're asking why people don't pick up Linux faster but you can see the symmetry when it's going the other way. It's not that they don't want to, it's that 80% of enshitification is lock-in.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by bigfatkitten »

alpineman wrote: post #441
maxloh wrote: post #431

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I don’t think so. Motorola Mobility is owned by the Chinese Lenovo, making it an adversary-owned entity in the eyes of most Western governments. Even with a fully open-source OS and first-class MDM, the company would struggle to gain significant market share. The Hardware Root of Trust and the binary blobs would still be compiled by a firm that Western governments view as a fundamental supply-chain risk.

I never worked in a corporate that didn't use Lenovo

You won’t see any Lenovo in the defense industry.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by joe_mamba »

bigfatkitten wrote: post #833
alpineman wrote: post #441

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I never worked in a corporate that didn't use Lenovo

You won’t see any Lenovo in the defense industry.

Defense industry is a small fraction of the notebook market, meaning Lenovo is still no. 1 globally even when missing the global defense market

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by small_model »

input_sh wrote: post #690
small_model wrote: post #522

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I don't think so, phones are consumer devices as are laptops and tablets these days. How many people would buy a dishwasher that is hackable or uses 'open source' software vs a standard one. If you want to see how this might go look at the market share of Framework laptop vs Apple/Chrome books. You are talking 0.05% if you are lucky.

> You are talking 0.05% if you are lucky. That's... completely fine? One of my biggest pet peeves on this forum is someone like you mentioning half a million devices sold annually and somehow simultaneously calling that a failure. You don't have to take over the whole market to be a successful company, many companies would be perfectly happy with selling half a million devices every year (AKA 0,05% of over a billion…

Yes of course its great, but I was replying to OP who said 'the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up'

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

avian wrote: post #200
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #33

Yes, This is amazing. My family had a moto phone and my god does it work till even now while being so snappy. I actually daily drove it for some time quite recently. It only has battery issues (let's hope that EU adds replacable batteries soon as well) and my mom only replaced the phone because she needed app which required the phone update. Considering this partnership, To me it feels like Motorola can have the upda…

A while back I bought a Motorola phone (one of the Moto G-something series) for a family member because I used to have one and had a good experience with it. I regretted that decision because soon that phone developed a bunch of warts that were a pretty obviously Motorola's idea to monetize their users. It was a constant source of problems. The peak was MotoApps that was constantly popping up with questions and insta…

For context, I had the moto g5 plus/ maybe g5 phone. Those phones might be so old that the concept of ads didn't come whereas every phone we bought after that did have ads/came with prepackaged apps.

So I may have had a rose tainted picture of Motorola and I didn't know this, Let's see what happens next tho. I can just hope that motorola stops with the ad and the motoapps that you are mentioning now that they are partnering up with graphene.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by moffkalast »

throw5t43e2 wrote: post #774
EvanAnderson wrote: post #583

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It was common knowledge in my circles back at the time of the acquisition, but that's been 20+ years ago now. I try to bring attention to it whenever I'm asked about using Lenovo gear.

I’m pretty sure OP is being sarcastic. The companies I have worked for in the past have always sworn by Thinkpads. I don’t care who owns them Thinkpads are amazing.

China makes excellent hardware, that's not really the core issue with this.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by hnben »

palata wrote: post #751
al_borland wrote: post #704

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Only if they can make it easy to use without compromising on what makes GrapheneOS what it is. I’m in the Apple ecosystem, but was curious about it after hearing so many people talk about it. Linus Tech Tips made a video on it a while back and for those who don’t want to tinker, it sounded like it could be a bit of a nightmare. At my age, I’m not looking for my phone to become a hobby. This generally means sensible d…

> At my age, I’m not looking for my phone to become a hobby. I have been trying Linux on mobile. This is a hobby. I have been using GrapheneOS... honestly it's just like a normal Android after two steps: 1. Install GrapheneOS (their installer is incredibly good , it just works). 2. From the GrapheneOS store, install the Play Store (it's like 3 taps). After that it's a normal Android, except it's more secure and you g…

did you have issues with banking apps, authenticator apps or outlook on workprofile?

I ask, because when I was using cyanogenmod a hundred years ago, banking apps were a major pain. And now I am using outlook on a flagship with stockrom, and outlook on workprofile is still a major pain, and I can easily imagine, it working even worse on grapheneos.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by burner420042 »

palata wrote: post #753
burner420042 wrote: post #741

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I'm sure the enthusiasm is appreciated but Graphene is very different even from stock Android. It's not simple enough for mainstream, and UI is odd. I'm typing this on an iPhone and my pixel 10 graphene is just to my left. It's my favorite Android distro but I wouldn't daily it. I love how boring and quiet the OS is though. It doesn't try for engagement. Battery life remains very good. The distro is close to being wh…

> It's not simple enough for mainstream, and UI is odd. It's exactly the same UI as Stock Android on a Google Pixel. If you find GrapheneOS' UI odd, then Android is just not for you, I guess?

This response lacks thought and is argumentative.

The UI is not the same nor are the app defaults. Combined they create a different UX from stock Android.

The default graphene App Store, and expected apps found there are different than Google Play or what you'd find on Google Play.

The default permissions of each app are restrictive, most notable when you start mixing App Stores.

F-Droid culture, and the app options, are their own thing.

Vanadium, the graphene messaging app, the lack of forced updates and nag buttons.

Exploit protection compat mode for banking apps.

Motorola isn't selling to you or the other person that responded. For that market graphene will have an unexpected learning curve.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by nickburns »

DaSHacka wrote: post #808
unselect5917 wrote: post #765

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I actually don't regret going in and turning "show dead" on so I could see it. Knowing that someone is considered a lolcow is legitimately useful information. It might no be polite, you might not like it, but it is useful data to people who prefer their truths entirely unfettered by nosy busybodies who call themselves "moderators".

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Who *in the derp.
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