Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform
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#832Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform
It seems people have a rather short memory when it comes to twitter. When it was still run by Jack Dorsey, CP was abundant on twitter and there was little effort to tamp down on it. After Musk bought the platform, he and Dorsey had a public argument in which Dorsey denied the scale of the problem or that old twitter was aware of it and had shown indifference. But Musk actually did take tangible steps to clean it up a…
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I'm not sure what you're getting at, physical investigation is the common procedure. You need a reason _not_ to do it, and since "it's all digital" is not a good reason we go back to doing the usual thing.
It's a show of force. "Look we have big strong men with le guns and the neat jack boots, we can send 12 of them in for every one of you." Whether it is actually needed for evidence is immaterial to that.
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In what world is generating CSAM a speech issue? Its really doing a disservice to actual free speech issues to frame it was such.
if pictures are speech, then either CSAM is speech, or you have to justify an exception to the general rule. CSAM is banned speech.
Of course everybody is going to find a point when freedom of speech have to be limited. Otherwise, anyone can justify that cutting the head of their neighbour with a katana while dancing is part of an artistic performance, and absolute free speech is only possible if all artistic expression is given complete license. Those who pretend otherwise will have no ground to defend themselves on legal basis from being wiped out of existence by the very same logic.
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#835lord some of the people on this site need their hard drives searched.
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It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to create, own, distribute or store sexually explicit material that represents a real person without their consent, regardless if they are underage or not. Grok is a platform that is enabling this en masse. If xAI can't bring in guardrails or limit who can access these capabilities, then they deserve what's coming to them.
>> or store sexually explicit material that represents a real person without their consent Who told you that? Go ask Pamela Anderson or Paris Hilton about that one. There are rules about material created without consent, but people do not retain a perpetual right to have formerly consentual material taken down. Hollywood, let alone the porn industry, would collapse overnight if every disgruntled star could have movie…
She can't withdraw consent when she never gave it in the first place.
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In your hypothetical scenario, why aren't the school kids making and distributing fake nudes of his daughter be the ones getting in trouble? Have we a outsourced all accountability for the crimes of humans to AI now?
"Boys will be boys", and so on. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture)
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Why didn't they do this until X started publishing naked little kids?
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And
“They waited until I did something wrong to go after me.”
Both contain an admission of wrong doing
Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#839Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cze3p1j710ko
Reports on sextortion, self-generated indecent images, and grooming via social media/messaging apps:
Snapchat 54%
Instagram 11%
Facebook 7%
WhatsApp 6-9%
X 1-2%
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In which broken society do you live where this is true? I would say drawing sexually explicit pictures of real persons without their consent and keeping them in your drawer is neither illegal nor morally reprehensible in most of the world. I am with you on publishing these...
I don't think one internet commenter can know or decide what is or isn't "morally reprehensible" in "most of the world". I don't speak for "most of the world" but I'm fairly sure "I drew nudes of your mom lol" will not go down well anywhere.