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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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hearsathought wrote: post #660
YZF wrote: post #639

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> One is a defensive war So what the germans did in ww2 was a defensive war also? Funny how the people whining endlessly about genocide are so eager to defend it. > Because they've decided the Jews in their historical lands First of all, it was never the "historical lands" of the jews. It belonged to the canaanites whom the jews decided to steal it from. Read your torah. Secondly, europeans larping as jews are not pa…

Last I checked the Germans weren't invaded before WW-II and had their civilians massacred and abducted.

The European Jews are absolutely the Jewish people from the Torah. This is proven by DNA tests and is also a result of the Jewish people in Europe staying in their own separate communities. Very few people convert to Judaism. A Cohen in Europe is a descendant of biblical Aaron, there is no other way to become a Cohen (a priest), similar for Levy's. Because of all these complicated laws Jewish people have always kept track of their lineage which impact various religious laws. But yeah, that's the antisemitic lie the Palestinians are propagating amongst their many other lies.

The Israelites are likely descendants of the Canaanites. This was before anyone was Jewish. More antisemitism. Modern Jewish people and others (including some Palestinians and other people of the Levant) carry Canaanite DNA.

Israel can handle Iran. But I guess you couldn't care less about their oppressive regime and innocents being murdered.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by throw627933788 »

hearsathought wrote: post #660
YZF wrote: post #639

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> One is a defensive war So what the germans did in ww2 was a defensive war also? Funny how the people whining endlessly about genocide are so eager to defend it. > Because they've decided the Jews in their historical lands First of all, it was never the "historical lands" of the jews. It belonged to the canaanites whom the jews decided to steal it from. Read your torah. Secondly, europeans larping as jews are not pa…

> the people whining endlessly about genocide

With that you’ve revealed exactly what you are and how much you care about human life in general.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by afpx »

YZF wrote: post #831
hearsathought wrote: post #660

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One is a defensive war So what the germans did in ww2 was a defensive war also? Funny how the people whining endlessly about genocide are so eager to defend it. > Because they've decided the Jews in their historical lands First of all, it was never the "historical lands" of the jews. It belonged to the canaanites whom the jews decided to steal it from. Read your torah. Secondly, europeans larping as jews are not pa…

Last I checked the Germans weren't invaded before WW-II and had their civilians massacred and abducted. The European Jews are absolutely the Jewish people from the Torah. This is proven by DNA tests and is also a result of the Jewish people in Europe staying in their own separate communities. Very few people convert to Judaism. A Cohen in Europe is a descendant of biblical Aaron, there is no other way to become a Coh…

The vast majority of Humans are also descended from the Jewish people of the Torah. In fact, half of the people I know have an Ashkenazi Grandfather or Great-grandfather. So, why can't we all be part of the state of Israel, too? Isn't that the easiest solution? [I know, I know - the oral law and the nations, and all of that - but can't the rabbis just cross out those parts?]

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by throw57990226 »

afpx wrote: post #833
YZF wrote: post #831

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Last I checked the Germans weren't invaded before WW-II and had their civilians massacred and abducted. The European Jews are absolutely the Jewish people from the Torah. This is proven by DNA tests and is also a result of the Jewish people in Europe staying in their own separate communities. Very few people convert to Judaism. A Cohen in Europe is a descendant of biblical Aaron, there is no other way to become a Coh…

The vast majority of Humans are also descended from the Jewish people of the Torah. In fact, half of the people I know have an Ashkenazi Grandfather or Great-grandfather. So, why can't we all be part of the state of Israel, too? Isn't that the easiest solution? [I know, I know - the oral law and the nations, and all of that - but can't the rabbis just cross out those parts?]

Every human should have a country they could call home.

There are many Christian countries, and many Muslim countries, does it bother you so much if there’s one tiny Jewish country?

Every Christian country that has been around long enough has at some point persecuted and/or expelled its Jews.

Israel’s definition of Jew is not based on Rabbinic law - it’s based on who the antisemites considered Jewish enough to persecute.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by afpx »

throw57990226 wrote: post #834
afpx wrote: post #833

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of Humans are also descended from the Jewish people of the Torah. In fact, half of the people I know have an Ashkenazi Grandfather or Great-grandfather. So, why can't we all be part of the state of Israel, too? Isn't that the easiest solution? [I know, I know - the oral law and the nations, and all of that - but can't the rabbis just cross out those parts?]

Every human should have a country they could call home. There are many Christian countries, and many Muslim countries, does it bother you so much if there’s one tiny Jewish country? Every Christian country that has been around long enough has at some point persecuted and/or expelled its Jews. Israel’s definition of Jew is not based on Rabbinic law - it’s based on who the antisemites considered Jewish enough to persec…

Who are the antisemites? Are you implying people are born antisemite? If so, please pray for better eyes and ears.

The vast majority of people have never seen or interacted with a rabbinic Jew. People only see the country of Israel, which apparently has authority over Judaism. And, Israel has always been a bad actor. But, it's fixable! Don't lose hope. Israel can one day be a positive force for the world.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by hearsathought »

YZF wrote: post #831
hearsathought wrote: post #660

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One is a defensive war So what the germans did in ww2 was a defensive war also? Funny how the people whining endlessly about genocide are so eager to defend it. > Because they've decided the Jews in their historical lands First of all, it was never the "historical lands" of the jews. It belonged to the canaanites whom the jews decided to steal it from. Read your torah. Secondly, europeans larping as jews are not pa…

Last I checked the Germans weren't invaded before WW-II and had their civilians massacred and abducted. The European Jews are absolutely the Jewish people from the Torah. This is proven by DNA tests and is also a result of the Jewish people in Europe staying in their own separate communities. Very few people convert to Judaism. A Cohen in Europe is a descendant of biblical Aaron, there is no other way to become a Coh…

> The European Jews are absolutely the Jewish people from the Torah.

This is 100% false. The vast majority of european "jews" were converts. DNA proves it. History proves it. Not to mention european "jews" look like aliens in the levant.

> A Cohen in Europe is a descendant of biblical Aaron, there is no other way to become a Cohen (a priest), similar for Levy's.

Considering that the babylonians essentially wiped out the descendants of aaron/levites ( assuming the lineage made it that far ), your assertion is rather absurd. Ever wonder why judaism went from patrilineal to matrilineal after the babylonian conquest? How can you claim a cohen is descended from Aaron when european jews claim jewish lineage is MATRILINEAL! The torah says jewish lineage is patrilineal. European "jews" claim it is matrilineal. Hmmmmm....

> The Israelites are likely descendants of the Canaanites.

Yes. REAL israelites were descended from the SEMITIC canaanites. Do you know who aren't semites? European "jews". Most modern israelis are not semitic because europeans are not a semitic peoples.

> Modern Jewish people and others (including some Palestinians and other people of the Levant) carry Canaanite DNA.

Sure. Modern ethnic jewish people. Europeans jews are not ethnic jews nor ethnic semites nor are they religiously jewish. But palestinians are ethnic semites.

The most anti-semitic peoples in the world are european "jews" who are genociding palestinians ( who are actual semites ).

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by cooloo »

noah_buddy wrote: post #469
joenot443 wrote: post #445

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I think when westerners like myself notice the disparity in response amongst western progressives between the Palestinian and Iranian situations, they're talking more from a social lens than the geopolitical one. A lot of my peers have been incredibly active on social media the last couple years supporting Palestinians. They've been mostly completely silent on Iran, the imbalance is notable.

Again, what am I supposed to do about it? If one lives in one of most western countries, one’s government has sanctioned Iran to the gills. Even the government can do little more, except engage in war. Compare this to Palestine, where direct action and protest is much more tangibly impactful.

I don't know maybe European government can stop doing billions worth $ business with Iranian regime over last 3 decades.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by cooloo »

pydry wrote: post #710
innagadadavida wrote: post #704

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It’s not just the US based liberals. Al Jazeera doesn’t have a single mention on the number or people in Iran that were killed but they do have an article about all the Palestinians killed since over a year.

Al Jazeera is probably a little skeptical of numbers sourced from anonymous tip offs that are clearly being used as a pretext for military action. WMD evidence published in western newspapers arrived in our newspapers in exactly the same way. By contrast, the numbers provided by the "Hamas run Gaza health ministry" turned out to be accurate despite the extreme skepticism professed by the western media.

Really turned to be accurate?

It's amazed that western progressive movment embress Al Jazeera which in controlled by violent regime of Qatar.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by cooloo »

noah_buddy wrote: post #506
program_whiz wrote: post #488

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One other point -- I think the left has effectively shifted the conversation on Israel very quickly. I think immediately following Oct 7 atrocities, public support was overwhelmingly with Israel. By raising awareness of the situation, it has now become more slanted towards "peace in Palestine." I see no reason a similar type of shift couldn't occur on any issue if a coordinated effort to discuss it and raise awarenes…

> it would likely cause change and or discussion by those in power. The reason this is an absurd comparison is because on the Palestine issues, it’s a desire to stop using / selling weapons into a conflict and on the Iran issue “causing change” would be starting another war in the Middle East.

This is lame excuse. For one you are calling for demolishion on nation on other hand you are not even embress the Iranian people who suffers under violent regime. That's the progression movment hyporcey

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by cooloo »

thisislife2 wrote: post #707
doofkoof wrote: post #695

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It is not as those Arab nations are some phenomenon of nature. The process of Arabization was, and perhaps is, itself one of settler colonialism and oppression. The fact that the colors of the caliphates are explicitly flown in areas outside of Arabia is proof enough of that.

Sure. I am from one such country (India) that was exposed to the Islamic culture through trade, muslim raiders and even many muslim conquerors who made our country their home (the Mughal empire being the most famous one). We are also quite familiar with imperialism and colonisation as, like the Palestinians, we were once a British colony too. However, in my country no one rational advocates that as we are a relativel…

I wonder what is the relation of Israel to this discussion. why can't you support the Iranian pepole?
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