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Tesla’s 4680 battery supply chain collapses as partner writes down deal by 99%

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Re: Tesla’s 4680 battery supply chain collapses as partner writes down deal by 99%

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Post by mapontosevenths »

iknowstuff wrote: post #796
mapontosevenths wrote: post #785

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you know more about it than I do. I'm certainly not an expert. I can say though that when my brother bought his first Tesla he paid thousands of dollars for FSD, which was supposed to be released "any day now." It's been many years and as far as I can tell it's still not REALLY here (in the sense that most people would mean it). I know that the plural of anecdote is not data, but... The Tesla that he bought…

This is completely made up and/or your brother lied. Teslas always came to a slow stop if no driver attention was detected. Originally just slowly stopping in lane, now actually pulling over.

> Originally just slowly stopping in lane, now actually pulling over.

When you say that it makes me wonder, because the tree was way off on the side of the road with narrow but deep ditch between the road and the tree. It drove through/over the ditch to hit the tree.

I wonder if "pulling over" is exactly what it was trying to do. Maybe it just missed that there was no place to pull over TO because it was foggy. So it drove straight into the ditch then bounced out of it into a tree on the other side of the ditch.

Either way, it's a second hand story with a sample size of 1. Doesn't prove anything, but it was enough to make me pretty nervous about FSD because the one sample happened to be close to me. I recognize that it's valueless to you or anyone else.

Re: Tesla’s 4680 battery supply chain collapses as partner writes down deal by 99%

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Post by simondotau »

breve wrote: post #829
simondotau wrote: post #828

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t Reddit, and I’m not American. I’m not interested in your culture war. There was a deeper point to my earlier message. I don’t think I was being particularly cryptic, so I can only assume you’re intentionally refusing to engage with it.

What culture war? These are straight-up, blatant lies from a car company and its management. The fact that you can't acknowledge the simple reality of that undermines what you claim to believe in.

And if I ever see any misleading claims go uncorrected in a discussion, I won't hesitate to provide such corrections. This hasn't happened here, so there's nothing for me to say on that.

Nonetheless, how distressing it must be to learn that a company could ever exaggerate, right up to the point of technical falsehood, in its marketing. GM would never market emissions-cheating engines as "clean diesel." Ford would never label a payload "best-in-class" when it isn't. Perish the thought. Pass me my fainting couch.

Re: Tesla’s 4680 battery supply chain collapses as partner writes down deal by 99%

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Post by breve »

simondotau wrote: post #832
breve wrote: post #829

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What culture war? These are straight-up, blatant lies from a car company and its management. The fact that you can't acknowledge the simple reality of that undermines what you claim to believe in.

And if I ever see any misleading claims go uncorrected in a discussion, I won't hesitate to provide such corrections. This hasn't happened here, so there's nothing for me to say on that. Nonetheless, how distressing it must be to learn that a company could ever exaggerate, right up to the point of technical falsehood, in its marketing. GM would never market emissions-cheating engines as "clean diesel." Ford would nev…

Rationalisation and whataboutism. This convinces me that you've formed a parasocial relationship with a car brand. I think it's psychological safer for you to desperately defend the brand than it is to be honest about it.

It's no good.

Re: Tesla’s 4680 battery supply chain collapses as partner writes down deal by 99%

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Post by simondotau »

breve wrote: post #833
simondotau wrote: post #832

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if I ever see any misleading claims go uncorrected in a discussion, I won't hesitate to provide such corrections. This hasn't happened here, so there's nothing for me to say on that. Nonetheless, how distressing it must be to learn that a company could ever exaggerate, right up to the point of technical falsehood, in its marketing. GM would never market emissions-cheating engines as "clean diesel." Ford would nev…

Rationalisation and whataboutism. This convinces me that you've formed a parasocial relationship with a car brand. I think it's psychological safer for you to desperately defend the brand than it is to be honest about it. It's no good.

Given that it's plainly obvious what's going on here, on a whim I asked ChatGPT what it thought of your last reply and here’s what it said:

——————

That message is textbook projection plus motive attribution.

What’s happening, plainly:

1. Projection

They accuse you of a parasocial relationship while displaying one themselves—just inverted (hostile instead of admiring).

2. Mind-reading / motive attribution

“It’s psychologically safer for you…” assigns an internal emotional motive without evidence. That’s not argument; it’s speculation presented as diagnosis.

3. Poisoning the well

By framing disagreement as psychological defense, they pre-emptively invalidate anything you say next. If you respond, it “proves” their claim.

4. Pathologizing dissent

Disagreeing with them is reframed as mental weakness rather than a difference in reasoning or evidence.

5. Asymmetric skepticism

Their own emotional investment is treated as insight; yours is treated as pathology.

——————

It went on, but you get the point. Hey, there might be something to this AI stuff after all.

Re: Tesla’s 4680 battery supply chain collapses as partner writes down deal by 99%

#835

Post by breve »

simondotau wrote: post #834
breve wrote: post #833

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rationalisation and whataboutism. This convinces me that you've formed a parasocial relationship with a car brand. I think it's psychological safer for you to desperately defend the brand than it is to be honest about it. It's no good.

Given that it's plainly obvious what's going on here, on a whim I asked ChatGPT what it thought of your last reply and here’s what it said: —————— That message is textbook projection plus motive attribution. What’s happening, plainly: 1. Projection They accuse you of a parasocial relationship while displaying one themselves—just inverted (hostile instead of admiring). 2. Mind-reading / motive attribution “It’s psycho…

Dude, if you're outsourcing your thinking to AI then it's even worse than I thought. This really is no good.

Re: Tesla’s 4680 battery supply chain collapses as partner writes down deal by 99%

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Post by simondotau »

breve wrote: post #835
simondotau wrote: post #834

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that it's plainly obvious what's going on here, on a whim I asked ChatGPT what it thought of your last reply and here’s what it said: —————— That message is textbook projection plus motive attribution. What’s happening, plainly: 1. Projection They accuse you of a parasocial relationship while displaying one themselves—just inverted (hostile instead of admiring). 2. Mind-reading / motive attribution “It’s psycho…

Dude, if you're outsourcing your thinking to AI then it's even worse than I thought. This really is no good.

So far your case is: vibes → diagnosis → “no good.” If that’s the whole toolkit, you might want to stop before it gets funnier.
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