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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by ghaff »

dpark wrote: post #826
ghaff wrote: post #819

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A lot of standard SUVs don't have particularly great ground clearance relative to Jeep Wranglers and the like. Though that doesn't really matter unless you're going off-road in Death Valley and the like. The current Toyota Sienna (which has improved a lot) is better than my Honda Passport in terms on gas mileage.

Yeah. I don’t really need or want high ground clearance. But I would like enough that parking at a curb doesn’t risk dragging the front bumper. My van (Odyssey) is low enough that I’ve scraped on a few unexpectedly tall curbs and I would be pretty uncomfortable with anything resembling off-road. I wouldn’t drive my van anywhere I wouldn’t drive a Civic. > The current Toyota Sienna … gas mileage. Better mileage and op…

I was actually surprised when I looked at what the current Siennas get. I have a friend with a, now, quite old Sienna who was really surprised at how high the mileage of my relatively new Honda Passport was. And the current hybrid Sienna is a fair bit better.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by qingcharles »

moron4hire wrote: post #594
Swenrekcah wrote: post #580

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Still, the packaging then presumably goes into the fridge and cupboards? And I would imagine there would be fresh produce in the bag as well? Maybe it makes sense, it just sounds unpleasant to me.

Wait til you see what the inside of a grocery warehouse looks like

And wait till you see the inside of the factory that made the food. Source: experience.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by qingcharles »

uep wrote: post #574
theshrike79 wrote: post #559

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I don't get the whole American thing for Pick-up trucks. Unless you're hauling hay or manure, why would you want your cargo area exposed to the elements? A normal van is better in every single way. I can't figure out why someone would put their expensive tools in a pick-up's bed when this is an option: https://modulinecabinets.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/van-...

I used to work for a general contractor who did residential remodels and construction, and a little bit of commercial work. He exclusively used cargo vans. He would carpet the interior to protect the cargo and your knees. It made me question why anyone would use a truck. As you alluded to, it doesn't just protect from the elements, but also from thieves stealing tools out of the back of your truck.

My neighbor is a contractor. He just switched from a Ford pick-up to a Ford van and could not be happier.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by ghaff »

mattmaroon wrote: post #694
ghaff wrote: post #608

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A number of my whitewater paddling friends really like their minivans. There are still at least a couple of models available but they have largely gone out of fashion. Personally I have a mid-size SUV but if you regularly need to transport around a lot of people, minivans seem more practical in general than a lot of the big SUVs.

At that point that’s just a truck with a slightly different shape. I don’t see any anti-truck argument that doesn’t apply to mid sized and larger SUVs

With sliding doors and different seat configuration. But, sure, just the same thing. But it's fine that you just don't like larger vehicles.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by Swenrekcah »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #792
Swenrekcah wrote: post #580

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Still, the packaging then presumably goes into the fridge and cupboards? And I would imagine there would be fresh produce in the bag as well? Maybe it makes sense, it just sounds unpleasant to me.

you're washing your produce, right?

I am, but still it sounds bad to me to expose them to the road elements on the way home.

And food in packaging, it is usually in boxes or other containers most of the time in supply line transit. Individual items only get unpacked in the store, so I would think this practice adds considerably to their “dirtyness”.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by class3shock »

beAbU wrote: post #584
class3shock wrote: post #237

The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) but it just was not the right vehicle to start with. To expensive, even when the tax incentives were still a thing, and Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers taking a large cut on top of that. So you are selling to either the top 5% or bigger businesses. If you are a top 5% buying this you want it to tow your expensive…

> The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) I agree that small commercial vehicles are the right prime target for electrification, but why the pick-up? I would argue that the classic van is a much more sensible small commercial vehicle than a pick-up. As a non-USian, do you mind explaining why the pick-up is so much more popular in this category? The van wins in…

I talk later on that I think a small ev van would have been a better entry into the market.

That being said I do love pickups, my dream car is probably the Slate if it ever gets made. I won't argue about truck over van on the merits because I think the van wins. Trucks are just cooler in the minds of americans I guess.

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Post by class3shock »

black_puppydog wrote: post #572
class3shock wrote: post #237

The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) but it just was not the right vehicle to start with. To expensive, even when the tax incentives were still a thing, and Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers taking a large cut on top of that. So you are selling to either the top 5% or bigger businesses. If you are a top 5% buying this you want it to tow your expensive…

Dear god, what about this monstrosity is supposed to be "small"?! Seriously, people should take a look at how professionals around tye world are managing just fine with anything from a cargo bike via VW caddy to sprinters....

That's an "american" small, lol.

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Post by class3shock »

pmontra wrote: post #790
labcomputer wrote: post #740

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In many states in the United States it is illegal to buy a car directly from the manufacturer or from a dealer owned by the manufacturer. In all states it is illegal for a manufacturer with an existing independent dealer network (which is to say, every manufacturer except the EV startups) to sell directly to the customer or to open a new factory-owned dealer. So companies like Ford can only sell what independent deal…

How did dealers get a better deal with states than manufacturers? I would assume that who has more money (manufacturers) write the law.

The dealer owners have better cocaine and hookers. If you think I'm joking you probably live in a more sane country.

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

ActorNightly wrote: post #823
1970-01-01 wrote: post #782

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>Which is why a pure EV truck designed for actual hauling will never work. So there are 5 other "pure" EVs with class IV or V hauling capability for sale, and many SUVs. What does "actual hauling" mean?

Hauling capability is being able to tow safely. Thats the bare minimum. The other big thing is how often do you have to stop for gas. If you are towing a car trailer for example, you have quite a bit of drag. No matter what the power train is, your mileage goes down. Then you introduce things like mountain passes into the mix, and your mileage goes down. With EV you have to stop and wait to recharge, and at the mercy…

>If battery cells and interfaces were standardized every single gas station had ability to swap cells, then it would work.

So what exactly doesn't work? You said it "can't haul" and "doesn't work" but you can't nail down a simple scenario where that applies.

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Post by dpark »

ghaff wrote: post #816
dpark wrote: post #709

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The anti truck sentiment is directed largely at the ever-growing full size trucks. SUVs get less hate because the market for the absurdly huge SUVs is much smaller than the market for reasonably sized (by American standards) SUVs. I don’t think smaller trucks get the same level of hate.

I absolutely use the capacity of my mid-size SUV quite often for a variety of purposes. Don't need anything bigger or the towing capacity of a full-size truck. And, given where I live, renting for a weekend would be very inconvenient. Sure, I could use a smaller hatchback/SUV day to day but I'm not going to own two vehicles at this point (though I used to own a two-seater as well) which some folks would probably also…

I own a small/mid-size SUV (and a van) so I’m not judging your car choice, but why would you not be able to rent a truck in Boston? Home Depot, Lowe’s, U-Haul, and more all rent trucks.
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