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> nobody cares about good tech Indeed. For example: Chia is arguably decent tech (better than Bitcoin), built by Bram Cohen (of BitTorrent fame), innovative PoSpace+Time. But nobody cares, it's at #450 in market cap, way down below Doge (#10), $TRUMP (#72), Fartcoin (#144), Melania (#375).
The market cap obsession is part of the problem. Can I use it to buy things, easily? That's the only metric that should count if you're looking for practical use, not speculation.
I wasted years of my life in crypto
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Re: I wasted years of my life in crypto
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Bitcoin, and really all crypto 'currencies' were never meant to be currencies at all. Maybe a couple naive people who created them originally believed that, but it was never the goal. They are speculative assets for gambling with. They have been since day 1.
> Bitcoin, and really all crypto 'currencies' were never meant to be currencies at all. To be fair, there is a significant amount of disagreement about what a "currency" is supposed to be, and there is a large subset of people who believe that the desirable traits in a currency are exactly those things that make it function well as a speculative asset (notably, on average over a long time, value with respect to goods…
If people lose faith in a currency's future, then it has no real value.
If people believe a currency (or the government/system which supports it) is unstable, then it has no real value. Real world global trade and investment is done on long timetables. You can't develop a product that won't start selling for 6+ years if you can't predict how currency will behave along that 6 years.
No one had a 'wrong' idea of what currency should be. They saw an opportunity to scam people out of all their money by convincing them that gambling was an investment and that they were much smarter and more clever, and sticking it against 'the man' or 'the system' when in fact they were just being used.
There were only two notable groups in crypto: The scammers and the suckers.
Re: I wasted years of my life in crypto
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> If you've been soured on these technologies because most of the currencies built with them are scams, I would encourage you to learn about them as if they were just incredibly robust databases that even governments would struggle to take down. Surely you can think of something cool to build with that, which doesn't involve money. The problems with the technologies is that the "robust database" guarantee is often hi…
> The problems with the technologies is that the "robust database" guarantee is often highly dependent on the currency mechanisms. They unfortunately go hand-in-hand. I agree that economic incentives are important for robustness, but I don't agree with this use of the word "currency". The tokens have value in that they can be used to write to the ledger. That is the consumer aspect of the token, you can give it up in…
The US penny is a copper (plus specific additives) ingot. It's value as a currency has directly shifted with the cost of copper, to the point of a desire to end the production simply based on copper prices. Copper is still a commodity with commodity markets (and futures markets) and its fungibility to trading is sometimes currency-like.
(Plus we can get into deep weeds discussing things like the Gold Standard where the commodities in the not-so-distant past have been directly tied to currencies. Arguably that is a bad idea, but just because it is a bad idea doesn't mean that it isn't a common or recurring idea because the distinctions are so close to few differences. You can cross-reference the South American experiments with a "Bitcoin Standard" currency even.)
When I say "the currency mechanisms", I certainly mean "the token mechanisms". They are the same, from my perspective. The difference between "currency" and "token" in a cryptocurrency sense doesn't seem to mean anything to me (unless you are explicitly narrowing to "non-fungible token", but that's a different discussion and as far as I can tell you are not), it is a distinction without a difference. Especially in the context of how much cryptocurrencies are and are not isomorphic to scams. In my view Artificial Scarcity (inc., but esp. Premining tactics), Proof of Work, and Proof of Stake all have aspects that are isomorphic to scams, that can be indistinguishable from scams. With present technology/math I do not see a way to build tokens that have any value without those systems. Whether you call those "currency mechanisms" or "token mechanisms" isn't a meaningful distinction when talking about the parts of blockchain tech that are most problematically isomorphic to scams.
Re: I wasted years of my life in crypto
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>criminals, sanction evaders The definition of both may vary depending on where you are. Being not controlled by governments is the original purpose of cryptocurrencies.
Be honest, don't whitewash. You mean perpetrating fraud and crimes and laundering illegal money is the original purpose of cryptocurrencies.
So yeah, of course you can frame it in your way and that would be valid. That was the original ideal of cryptocurrencies - to have a financial system not controlled by the governments. Of course it can be used for fraud and other things we probably both consider bad, by design. Just like gold.
Re: I wasted years of my life in crypto
#835Like most kids, I had my Randian phase. But I grew out of it before moving to Sili Valley. I've always been a bit of a fan of Adam Curtis' documentary style, and "All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace" (named after the Brautigan poem) is worth watching. I'm not sure how much of his narrative of Rand is accurate, but it's well presented: https://youtu.be/I6EBpLfLHCA?si=SE93Dp9nsl11vnU3
Rand broadly attracts 2 types of people: - The rebellious teenager. The often 'outgrow' it. - The self made man (who in a certain way also rebels against society). These are generally the entrepreneurial types. Their understand the essence of views put forth by AR. Their views do not change over time. Most people fall into the first category.
I've talked to quite a few objectivists (at one point I lived near Austin, which has one of the only, maybe THE only university in the world that treats objectivism as a serious subject of study) and not a single one of them had read a page of her actual writing on metaphysics and epistemology. So for example, they generally can't articulate an answer as to how her ethics of self interest differ from simple hedonism.
They all liked her fiction because they, almost all being bright people on the spectrum, derive all their self worth from their intelligence rather than from their interactions with others. So a novel presenting such characters as moral champions under attack from leeching inferiors naturally appeals to someone with an ego driven worldview.
The author of the linked post never really addressed whether he thought about reconsidering his views on Randian self interest as a virtue, which is a perfect way to philosophically ground the kind of exploitative and useless effects of crypto that he described.
Re: I wasted years of my life in crypto
#836I worked at a crypto exchange and after I came to the conclusion that 99% of crypto was scams and rugpulls, I sold all my crypto and vowed to have nothing to do with it. It's more of a religion than a financial instrument and absolutely nothing has shown to me that crypto is anything more than a speculative gamble, basically tulips with the religious promise of a better world. The number of employees that lost money…
100%. It's similar to AI... the only people trying to tell you "it's the future" are those with financial stakes.
Re: I wasted years of my life in crypto
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>"If you want that just use zero knowledge proofs and cryptographic accumulators. No block chain needed." Sure, I suppose. You'd need zero knowledge proofs for the reversals anyway. >"one of the properties people want from elections is the inability to prove to soneone how you voted" Your political party affiliations AND the fact on whether you voted is already public knowledge in our current electoral system; so 2/3…
> Your political party affiliations AND the fact on whether you voted is already public knowledge in our current electoral system Neither of these are how you actual voted so they don't really matter. That said, as a non-american, the party affiliation thing is super weird. --- > If you give someone your block ID that says how you voted, then yeah ok - but you can do that today by taking a picture of your ballot. And…
They still negate 2/3 of his necessities.
Re: I wasted years of my life in crypto
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Ah I see, so the [token holder] hires a [builder] to build something, and uses that to then hire [intellectual] to scam the ['pragmatic user']? To take this a little more seriously, this is computer programming, very famously you don't need massive gobs of VC capital to build something. The only reason for the [builder] needs [token holder] is to hire [intellectual] to scam [user]. Oh and of course, [token holder] [b…
The funny thing is that people are betting on a profile with anime pictures against the ECB representing 500 million people. And yet when they want to actually buy a Lambo they need hard currency...
Re: I wasted years of my life in crypto
#840I feel like I learned all I needed to know about crypto from that experience and haven't touched it since then.