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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by Semaphor »

ernst_klim wrote: post #810
rckt wrote: post #270

I get that too many regulations is a bad thing. But when we talk privacy and personal data there should be no gray zone. It has to be black and white. When I see a stupid cookie banner I search for "Reject all". There's no some data that companies can collect and process without my consent, they just shouldn't be able to collect anything without me actively opting in. Business never respects anything, but profits. Se…

> But when we talk privacy and personal data there should be no gray zone. It took me to move to Germany to figure that privacy is a spectrum, and I, despite being a crazy on privacy and security, actually don't want that much. I've been to a German factory where robots could not distinct between humans and objects bc Datenschutz. My colleagues had 3 bikes stolen in a week bc we have no CCTV cameras. Privacy definite…

Private CCTVs are legal, you just can’t have it film a public area. And I’m grateful for that.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by fithisux »

Come on, AI needs data, relaxing GDPR brings more data.

The question is what AI will do with these data and whether giving away privacy is good.

There is no transparency or trust and for this reason I want to keep my privacy.

But now, I am robbed out of this based on majority votes and not common sense.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by mosburger »

epolanski wrote: post #828

I'm not understanding, as an European who's been part of multiple startups how's that supposed to boost growth. There's literally 0 startups I've been part of where data protection laws or even the infamous cookie banners have been anywhere near relevant (unless your business was literally profiling). In fact the actors that most opposed those laws have always been non Europeans. Sure, there is an attached cost in ha…

I think (I'm an American so take with a grain of salt) even the "proper lawyer reviewing terms" part can be deferred quite a while by being conservative with PII (which you should be doing anyway) and using a service like iubenda to deal with terms and cookie warnings when you first start out.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by moralestapia »

epolanski wrote: post #828

I'm not understanding, as an European who's been part of multiple startups how's that supposed to boost growth. There's literally 0 startups I've been part of where data protection laws or even the infamous cookie banners have been anywhere near relevant (unless your business was literally profiling). In fact the actors that most opposed those laws have always been non Europeans. Sure, there is an attached cost in ha…

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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by monocularvision »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #130
monocularvision wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that why most of the EU governmental websites have the same cookie pop up banners?

Lack of product ownership and cargo cult developers. Legislation can’t change culture.

Goalposts moved.

The original claim was that the compliance was done for malicious reasons to change the law. Another possibility is that lawyers are a cautious bunch and advise their clients to take a less risky option when implementing a legal requirement. From personal experience, I would saw that latter is much more likely and would also explain why government agencies interpret these rules the same way when developing their websites.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by epolanski »

moralestapia wrote: post #834
epolanski wrote: post #828

I'm not understanding, as an European who's been part of multiple startups how's that supposed to boost growth. There's literally 0 startups I've been part of where data protection laws or even the infamous cookie banners have been anywhere near relevant (unless your business was literally profiling). In fact the actors that most opposed those laws have always been non Europeans. Sure, there is an attached cost in ha…

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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by matthewdgreen »

epolanski wrote: post #828

I'm not understanding, as an European who's been part of multiple startups how's that supposed to boost growth. There's literally 0 startups I've been part of where data protection laws or even the infamous cookie banners have been anywhere near relevant (unless your business was literally profiling). In fact the actors that most opposed those laws have always been non Europeans. Sure, there is an attached cost in ha…

I would go farther. Privacy laws seem like an excellent way to tighten the internal European market and develop homegrown competitors, which (one might argue) Europe really needs. If Europe is loosening up those laws, does that help Europe? Or does it help Meta and Google and Microsoft?

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by vovavili »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #837
epolanski wrote: post #828

I'm not understanding, as an European who's been part of multiple startups how's that supposed to boost growth. There's literally 0 startups I've been part of where data protection laws or even the infamous cookie banners have been anywhere near relevant (unless your business was literally profiling). In fact the actors that most opposed those laws have always been non Europeans. Sure, there is an attached cost in ha…

I would go farther. Privacy laws seem like an excellent way to tighten the internal European market and develop homegrown competitors, which (one might argue) Europe really needs. If Europe is loosening up those laws, does that help Europe? Or does it help Meta and Google and Microsoft?

This argument in favor of protectionist industrial policy is almost universally opposed by most modern economists, for a good reason.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by matthewdgreen »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #544
jlarocco wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The logical extreme there is legalizing murder for hire, human trafficking, and a bunch of other crazy stuff. Privacy is in a different category altogether, but there's more to think about than just how much things cost companies.

That's a straight up slippery slope logical fallacy.

We’ve had “legitimate” for-profit firms supplying authoritarian governments with phone malware that they allegedly used to spy on and sometimes murder their dissidents. The slippery slope isn’t a fallacy, we’ve seen what happens if it isn’t guarded.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by GJim »

morshu9001 wrote: post #519
radicalbyte wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been a change in the community here over the last decade, we've lost a lot of the hacker spirit and have a larger proportion of "chancers", people who are only in tech to "get rich quick". The legacy of ZIRP combined with The Social Network marketing.

As a hacker, I don't care about cookies or what the EU thinks about them. Disable them if you really care. Or at least use a browser that blocks 3P cookies (not Chrome).

> As a hacker, I don't care about cookies

Well I care about privacy. And so should anybody with an ounce of common sense.

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