Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza • Hacker News Board

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by sporkxrocket » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 4:07 PM UTC

klipt wrote: post #822

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Israel has been terrorizing and ethnically cleansing Palestinians since the inception of Zionism. Nakba was the original mass ethnic cleansing of Palestine. October 7th was a valid reaction to people violently stealing your land and killing your families. The Palestinians had even tried a peaceful March of Return only to have the IDF snipe over a thousand people. Israel is not a legitimate state, and never has been.

> October 7th was a valid reaction to people violently stealing your land and killing your families. Well the Arab states collectively stole land 5 times the size of Israel from the Mizrahi Jews they ethnically cleansed (who now make up a majority of Israeli Jews) So by your logic the Mizrahi Jews are entitled to enact October 7 style killings on the Arab states until they pay reparations for the land they stole.

This is false and never happened. Mizrahi Jews colonized Palestine under the banner of Zionism. Despite holding a lower social position in Israel than Ashkenazis, they are still colonizers.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by phba » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 4:07 PM UTC

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by dandanua » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 4:10 PM UTC

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That is interesting, why videos from Gaza has strong effects while Oct 7 don't. Or videos from Ukraine don't. Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza is genocide while russians bombing child hospital in Kyiv is ok. Unfortunately not all nations are equal and many suffers because of that.

Unfortunately truth is: western societies don't actually give a shit about either. It just a "popular" trend to support Palestine / Gaza and for a while that was Ukraine. But reality is that people don't really care enough about any of it. Just like they didn't care about wars in Africa, genocide in Cambodia, etc. To actually solve big world problems it would take massive investments and sacrifice quality of life for…

It's the same story with the Epstein list. No one gives shit about victims. Trump and GOP did much more horrible things, like literally killing people with their actions. But sex with underage girls takes all the attention and the blame. So all other Trump's crimes, which are countless to this point, are getting faded.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by Jgoauh » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 4:11 PM UTC

Jgoauh wrote: post #758

i'm ashamed of how long it took, i don't even know what words to use to explain that life matters, that all lives have the same value, and that death is bad

its crazy the number of people downvoting me for this, sadly i will not compromise on my beliefs

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by account42 » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 4:11 PM UTC

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For anyone else not familiar with "anti-BDS": "Anti-BDS laws are legislation that retaliate against those that engage in Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions. With regard to the Arab–Israeli conflict, many supporters of the State of Israel have often advocated or implemented anti-BDS laws, which effectively seek to retaliate against people and organizations engaged in boycotts of Israel-affiliated entities." From Wikipe…

From a historical, economic, social perspective... Why does Israel hold so much power over the world?

Because protecting Israel is part of America's mythology.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by dotancohen » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 4:16 PM UTC

buyucu wrote: post #637

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Are you ok with ypu goverment comitting mass murder? That is the only question that matters.

No, I am not. That is why I oppose Hamas.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by darthrupert » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 4:19 PM UTC

banku_brougham wrote: post #114

ipaddr wrote: post #69

Wonder why this made the frontpage when other political articles die. Has the rules around political non technical articles changed? Can we get an Epstein thread for the frontpage sometime this week?

maybe because we are two years into an event that will define the early 21st century.

Ukraine War started 3 years ago in 2022, not two years ago. Or 11 years ago in 2014, if we count from the illegal annexation of Crimea.

The Gaza war will be a footnote to the actual war happening in Europe. When the terrorist attack of October 7 happened, my first sentiment was that Putin will be ecstatic that half of the world's attention will be shifted away from his crimes. A conspiracy minded person might think this was not an accident.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by throwaway3060 » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 4:20 PM UTC

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If you think for yourself—like you should do, absolutely—and look at this situation through all of the information that has come out, how can you conclude that the overwhelmingly unilateral and indiscriminate violence being acted on this territory is reasonable, justified, and not a systematic eradication of the people who live there? I would really like to understand the based & logical reasoning that you use to arr…

I'll bite - disclaimer that I'm not the person you replied to.

If you look at comparable situations throughout history - urban warfare - Gaza doesn't really stand out as an outlier. It is tragic that urban warfare is usually so deadly, but singling out Gaza as a uniquely evil instance just doesn't seem to have any basis in the statistics.

The crime of Genocide is unique - it isn't enough to establish what physically happened, nor to establish intent, but all those and cause-effect must be proven. The bar was, intentionally, placed extremely high, in order to emphasize the extraordinarily evil nature of this crime. It seems to me that the purely circumstantial evidence does not meet this bar of intent, let alone being able to establish cause-effect.

Lowering the bar in order to prosecute more acts would only serve to de-emphasize why the term genocide was coined to describe the most heinous of crimes. It is supposed to represent something almost unfathomable, something that could only be carried out with intent or else the acts would make no rational sense, not something that could happen out of negligence and lack of caution. I find it notable that many historical genocides were defined by acts that took place outside of the actual military engagements.

Unfortunately, the trend seems to be try to use this word to describe all war acts people consider unjustified. If people need another way to describe such war acts, that is a separate question.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by vitajex » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 4:21 PM UTC

dluan wrote: post #525

Seeing PG slowly turn on this issue, from nothing into recognition and now into advocacy has been wild. Presumably because he has kids, and like many parents you understand with your eyes first, and then your heart. PG wields some amount of power in SV, but YC and others are still inextricably tied to what's happening. Thiel was just in Israel with elad gil, rabois, alex karp, joe lonsdale. It's just too much to list…

PG has written in public about this for over 20 years. See "I admit it seems cowardly to keep quiet" in https://paulgraham.com/say.html.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by skinkestek » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 4:22 PM UTC

zidel wrote: post #740

toomim wrote: post #579

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That is a rebuttal of the International Association of Genocide Scholars[0] resolution from August[1], not this UN report. [0] https://genocidescholars.org [1] https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IAGS...

The crazy thing is we have to have a rebuttal over something so obviously false that a child can see it.

For anyone who has studied genocide to any degree it is clear that this doesn't match anything that has previously been classified as a genocide.

But more importantly, unlike all actual genocides, in this conflict it is the victim [1] population that started it and have all the keys to stop it.

[1]: victim in the same way as the nazi German population was victim in 1944 and 1945, they were suffering most even if they were the ones to start it. Oh, and unlike the nazi Germans, Gazans can probably still stop this by the end of the week if they want to.