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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by halflife » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 3:29 PM UTC

DrillShopper wrote: post #807

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Ideally? Palestinian accepting the existence of Israel, foregoing their demands for the right to return and East Jerusalem, and then we can peacefully coexist. Realistically? Maintaining strong border security, erect more walls, prevent Palestinians from crossing into Israel, legally or illegally, control any gate they have with the outside to prevent smuggling of weapons. Regarding the hostages? Besiege Gaza until t…

I can't wait until the US government cuts Israel off from the weapons teet and tells them to fight their genocidal wars of aggression with their own money instead of the American taxpayer's money.

Learn history, we already did. Independence Day and six days war was without American support against Egypt Jordan Syria and Lebanon. We won.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by shkkmo » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 3:54 PM UTC

tome wrote: post #809

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> when children are unintentionally killed Oops, I killed 17,000 kids, totally an accident, my bad, so I'm just gonna keep doing the same thing, but I said it was an accident so that's totally cool right? You realize that's more than a order of magnitude more than the total number of people killed on October 7th? If October 7th was justification for this war, what Isreal has done in response justifies so much more. (…

There seem to be a few strands getting entangled here. If you look earlier in the thread you'll see I'm asking for justification of the claim of "collective punishment". So far I haven't seen any, and indeed I haven't seen any direct responses to that request at all. An observer following the thread (and maybe this applies to you too) might think "But what I am seeing as so egregious, why does it matter if it's techn…

I don't see any other reason to kill 17,000 kids like that except as collective punishment or genocide. You seem pretty clear that it was neither so I'll leave it up to you to provide another reasonable explanation for why Isreal would want to intentionally kill that many kids.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by dlubarov » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 3:54 PM UTC

rich_sasha wrote: post #789

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I generally don’t think your understanding of the settler issue is accurate, but I’m also not an expert on those details. In general Jews living in west bank communities they created seems fine, I don’t think it’s acceptable for Palestinians to ban Jews. Arabs and Jews live in peace alongside each other as equals in Israel. I think Israel does police the violence on their own side. That land is secured by Israel as t…

The West Bank settlement is a clear sign of bad faith, because the only credible chance of peaceful coexistence, the Oslo Accords, earmarked the West Bank exclusively for Palestinians, or more strictly, their state. Sure, I would be delighted if either side of the border Jews and Arabs lived peacefully alongside. But that is not what is happening there. Settlers, aided by army and militias of unknown status (armed se…

> Oslo Accords, earmarked the West Bank exclusively for Palestinians, or more strictly, their state

The two Oslo agreements themselves don't contain this sort of earmarking. There was a sort of informal understanding that Oslo would be a stepping stone toward a real Palestinian state, and that hasn't happened, but it would be hard to put most of the blame on Israel. Arafat walked away from a very serious statehood offer in 2000, for example.

From your comments it sounds like you might have been misled by some questionable sources, which would be understandable considering even top UN officials have spread rather blatant disinformation about Israel [1]. E.g. you also mention a famine against civilians, when we're actually about three orders of magnitude short of the number of starvations required to declare a famine.

[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/debunked-un-off...

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by tguvot » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 3:57 PM UTC

cess11 wrote: post #786

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you need to improve your vibe quoting. article talks about 13,000 wounded, not 130,000. iirc, been impacted by tear gas is also "wounded". but back to the point. - do you still claim that it was "peaceful march of return" ? - where do you think the "return" part of the march were leading and what would have happened there ? (just in case, in UN report on Oct 7 documented that in most of places civilians followed arme…

Afterwards IDF soldiers bragged in the media about deliberately mutilating peaceful protestors. Here's a clarifying table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_... As you can see it does not include "impacted by tear gas", but a thousand palestinians were harmed by having tear gas canisters shot at them. More than six thousand were maimed by gun fire, and as the numbers show, it was deliberate…

so they tried to breach border en masse, while having armed people among them and got shot only in knees ? sounds like a good outcome for them.

israeli citizens didn't have such a good outcome at oct 7 when great march of return succeeded to breach border.

and you seems to be angry that they were harmed and not killed. i am confused here.

now, you surely know that between 1945 and 1950 about 12m to 14.6m ethnic germans were ethnically cleansed (500k to 2.5m dead in process) from eastern europe and some land annexed.

do you support their right to march back and reclaim their land and homes ?

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by tguvot » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 3:59 PM UTC

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PA is the one that postpones elections, as polls over the years show Hamas winning. Just like in elections that happened in 2005 that USA pushed for Has nothing to do with Israel. PS. canada just said that will recognize palestine if it will hold elections (without hamas)

The fact that countries halfway around the world are using basic recognition as a coercive tool to shape their democratic expression is exactly why Hamas has any following.

"we would like you to have democratic elections but we would like you to remove highest polling party from democratic process".

to be honest, reasons for hamas having following are many, and I doubt that this is the major one

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by tguvot » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 4:00 PM UTC

cess11 wrote: post #799

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- learning basic facts facilitates fact based discussions. you avoid going and learning facts that may not correspond to your worldview - fatah was beaten down. it doesn't say "stopped". it says "lost". hamas wasn't knocked down into oblivion and they were always more popular than fatah - no go zones means that PA doesn't go there because Hamas/PIJ will kill them there. - rockets not thrown from there not because due…

There shouldn't be any "israeli population" in the West Bank. To a large extent it is armed and commonly also in uniform, without being in IDF service. From 1999 to 2018 colonial population in the West Bank grew from ~177000 to ~430000 or so. Since the current israeli government took power they've massively accelerated colonial efforts in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and also moved away from military administrat…

you failed to write how much settlement grew. can't find any data about it ?

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by Balgair » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 4:07 PM UTC

halflife wrote: post #781

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Hey, I know this a rando internet commenter here, but what do you think is the solution then? To me, adding more money and guns into this conflict sounds like a really bad idea. But I'm not there and I'm just a fool as a result. I'm honestly asking and not just trolling, really. I'd love your perspective.

Ideally? Palestinian accepting the existence of Israel, foregoing their demands for the right to return and East Jerusalem, and then we can peacefully coexist. Realistically? Maintaining strong border security, erect more walls, prevent Palestinians from crossing into Israel, legally or illegally, control any gate they have with the outside to prevent smuggling of weapons. Regarding the hostages? Besiege Gaza until t…

Thanks for the perspective here. I may have disagreements with you, but I appreciate the view

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by BrandoElFollito » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 4:10 PM UTC

bawolff wrote: post #742

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> , I don't think the average French citizen in 2025 loses any sleep over it. If they can live with the risk, why does Israel require absolutes? No, we do not lose sleep about that. We have also been at war with England, Italy and Spain a lot. Especially England. We keep a close eye on them still that the Hastings battle is not forgotten. But on the serious side, these concerns are so remote compared with the situati…

In fairness here, germany and france have been at peace for something like 80 years, most of that a fairly friendly peace. The people who remember a time when Germany was the enemy are basically dead by now. 80 years buys a lot of by-gones Hell, maybe Germany and Israel make a good comparison here. The jews who lived in mandatory palestine during WW2 were certainly afraid of Germany (and rightfully so), but i don't t…

Yes, I totally agree. I wanted to make it clear that the analogy for France-Germany simply does not fly.

Our countries have been at war for two millennia (whatever "country" meant across the ages), like the rest of Europe. Then, after WWII, a tremendous effort was made to mend the relationship, and the really good idea was to involve the youth.

When I was a teenager in the 80s, those who had German as a foreign language (sometimes as the first foreign language, before English) had exchanges with peers in Germany (they were coming to us and living with us for a week, and then we were going to them). It was great.

30 years later, my son had the same exchange and I could look at the kids' behaviour more closely. They (the French and the Germans kids) decided to have a football match. I was sure that it would be a Germany vs France one. Not at all: they mixed up, with teams composed of pairs (local and foreign). It was a-ma-zing.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by bigtex88 » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 4:14 PM UTC

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Yes. The minimum rules we all must agree on have to be the basic human rights. And that means we can’t take all the civilians in Gaza hostage for Hamas. These are humans with hopes and dreams and friends and family, like you and like Israelis. That Israel in particular would so easily forget about this is horrible.

Gazans are not being put onto railroad cars and shipped off to camps to be systematically exterminated in gas chambers.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by cultofmetatron » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 4:18 PM UTC

tguvot wrote: post #834

cess11 wrote: post #786

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Afterwards IDF soldiers bragged in the media about deliberately mutilating peaceful protestors. Here's a clarifying table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_... As you can see it does not include "impacted by tear gas", but a thousand palestinians were harmed by having tear gas canisters shot at them. More than six thousand were maimed by gun fire, and as the numbers show, it was deliberate…

so they tried to breach border en masse, while having armed people among them and got shot only in knees ? sounds like a good outcome for them. israeli citizens didn't have such a good outcome at oct 7 when great march of return succeeded to breach border. and you seems to be angry that they were harmed and not killed. i am confused here. now, you surely know that between 1945 and 1950 about 12m to 14.6m ethnic germa…

> and got shot only in knees ? sounds like a good outcome for them.

please go on

> do you support their right to march back and reclaim their land and homes ?

considering that they were kicked out by violence in 1948, likud terrorists mass killed entire villages of Palestinians in order to force the rest to flee.

Israelis then forced them to live in an apartheid state

I certainly do support their right of return. Israel has committed multiple oct 7 level atrocities against Palestinians over the last few decades while sweeping them under the rug.

edit: are the descendants of those germans being systematically oppressed with no rights and living under military occupation? if not, whats stopping them from returning currently?