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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by 9dev »

rendall wrote: post #819
9dev wrote: post #640

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> If you really believe that Gazans are being starved This is so disgusting. There is an endless flood of proof from reliable media all over the world. It's a fact, not a matter of belief. > Let's hear what you think Israel should do. A government with members that are publicly outspoken for a genocide in Gaza simply cannot be trusted on this issue. It's like letting the wolf pack guard the sheep pen and hoping they…

Your solution?

Is inside my reply. You’ll have to read it, I’m afraid.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by tdeck »

slightwinder wrote: post #827
throw310822 wrote: post #709

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While I agree it's very important to welcome people who changed their minds, there are a few things that still annoy me: - the situation was actually very clear from the start - Israel has been illegally occupying, enforcing apartheid, committing war crimes for decades. You always ignored it. - I don't hear any apology about the above, nor any indication that these people won't return to their default stance of prete…

> - the situation was actually very clear from the start Which start? There are so many in that conflict. > - Israel has been illegally occupying, enforcing apartheid, committing war crimes for decades. So did the other sides. For outsiders, it's very hard to know what's really going on in that region; so many history, so many details, so many emotions, so many abuse and killing... It's a chain of reactions and count…

Unfortunately this vacuous "both sides" claptrap isn't going to work anymore because we've all seen Israel's true face now.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by regularization »

woodpanel wrote: post #828
throw310822 wrote: post #709

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree it's very important to welcome people who changed their minds, there are a few things that still annoy me: - the situation was actually very clear from the start - Israel has been illegally occupying, enforcing apartheid, committing war crimes for decades. You always ignored it. - I don't hear any apology about the above, nor any indication that these people won't return to their default stance of prete…

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> Israel left Gaza a long time ago

So who are those people with guns in between Egypt and Gaza for the past decades? Or blocking Gazan fisherman from fishing for decades?

The Zionists leave a settlement in northern Gaza and call that "leaving Gaza".

The Zionists brought this on themselves when they decided to take over Gaza in 1967. 33 of the victims of the Zionist aggressions in 1967 were those brave US Navy sailors on the USS Liberty that the Zionists killed then.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by chakintosh »

zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

That would be correct if Israel didn't routinely do the exact same war crimes they are committing right now in Gaza for the past 20 years. It's depressing to say, but what Israel is doing right now is nothing new. It's par for the course and each 2 to 3 years you see the same war crimes in gaza, like clockwork.

So yes, those world leaders are as guilty as Israel, they enabled this for years.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by sixQuarks »

kn0where wrote: post #661
carefulfungi wrote: post #258

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Then what does winning actually look like today? Sure. Run against these people and support their political opposition in the next election. But take the win on the short term and get food to Gaza.

My concern is the politicians are suddenly flip flopping because they realize in the short term Israel is close to exterminating the entire population of Gaza. Perhaps they will let a pittance of food aid through to prolong the genocide so Netanyahu can stay in power. I have little confidence in US leadership actually having a change of heart now.

Exactly. We are dealing with demons, anyone who thinks they’re actually changing is delusional

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by mda »

alex1138 wrote: post #821
mda wrote: post #682

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Stop the genocide. Then, don't start the genocide. Not very hard. Do you really think there are / were no other options? Think harder.

There are numerous reports that IDF does what it can to root out Hamas among the general pop. They call people before strikes, they distribute leaflets Think harder

Their actions shows a general disrespect for human life and human rights.

"Numerous reports" might claim what you say, but actual reports of countless genocidal atrocities contradicts them I guess. It is my belief that they don't care and never cared.

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Post by OldfieldFund »

regularization wrote: post #833
woodpanel wrote: post #828

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> Israel left Gaza a long time ago So who are those people with guns in between Egypt and Gaza for the past decades? Or blocking Gazan fisherman from fishing for decades? The Zionists leave a settlement in northern Gaza and call that "leaving Gaza". The Zionists brought this on themselves when they decided to take over Gaza in 1967. 33 of the victims of the Zionist aggressions in 1967 were those brave US Navy sailors…

To anyone reading this, I recommend a 224-page book on the topic:

On Palestine

by Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappé, and Frank Barat (Editor)

Goodreads Rating: 4.27, 11,732 ratings, 1,588 reviews

Operation Protective Edge, Israel's most recent assault on Gaza, left thousands of Palestinians dead and cleared the way for another Israeli land grab. The need to stand in solidarity with Palestinians has never been greater.

First published May 7, 2015

The paperback is about $12 on Amazon.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by throw310822 »

regularization wrote: post #833
woodpanel wrote: post #828

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> Israel left Gaza a long time ago So who are those people with guns in between Egypt and Gaza for the past decades? Or blocking Gazan fisherman from fishing for decades? The Zionists leave a settlement in northern Gaza and call that "leaving Gaza". The Zionists brought this on themselves when they decided to take over Gaza in 1967. 33 of the victims of the Zionist aggressions in 1967 were those brave US Navy sailors…

Besides this, notice how they're implying that having left a region of Palestine (even if that were true, which isn't) means that no Palestinian from that specific region has a right to attack them.

As if no Ukrainian had a right to attack Russia besides those in the occupied regions.

As if no American except Californians would have a right to fight if California were occupied by a foreign power.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by ben_w »

tdeck wrote: post #832
slightwinder wrote: post #827

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - the situation was actually very clear from the start Which start? There are so many in that conflict. > - Israel has been illegally occupying, enforcing apartheid, committing war crimes for decades. So did the other sides. For outsiders, it's very hard to know what's really going on in that region; so many history, so many details, so many emotions, so many abuse and killing... It's a chain of reactions and count…

Unfortunately this vacuous "both sides" claptrap isn't going to work anymore because we've all seen Israel's true face now.

Eh?

"Both sides, X and Y, are bad" requires as a prerequisite that X is in the set of "bad". Doesn't matter which of X and Y are government policies in Israel or Palestine.

Now, if the comment you'd replied to was saying "it's all X's fault, Y is innocent", then "we've all seen Israel's true face now" would be a reasonable response.

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