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Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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> hand-crank a tiny air compressor Is that what Dr. Sattler is doing in this scene from Jurassic Park ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoW4vXnkhJw

How did you remember this scene?!

If you were the right age when it came out in theaters in '93 (roughly between 11-15), Jurassic Park was a huge deal. Titanic was another of those in that era (although mainly to certain females).

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I can’t see an answer here: how does an air compressor start an engine?

The compressor pressurizes an air tank. When the pressure in the tank is nice and high, use the compressed air to turn a turbine connected to the crankshaft of the engine.

This technology of starting a diesel engine using a turbine driven by compressed air was used in Russian T-34 tank during the WWII. While Germans could not start the tanks in the cold of winter 1941 from the frozen batteries the Russians were using compressed air (hand-crank) to start T-34s just fine.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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> Many people don't even have cash anymore, either in their wallet or at home. Even if you have cash many shops would not sell anything in case of a mass outage because registers are just clients which depend on a cloud to register a transaction. Not reliable but cheap when it works.

In a multi-day event like we are talking about here, couldn't a shop owner revert to a paper ledger? I mean, it would suck and transactions would take much longer but if the alternative is people starving or having your inventory looted by a desperate mob, a nineteenth century solution seems preferable.

There was a 4-day power outage here (Seattle suburbs) last fall, and one of the auto parts store made an effort to serve customers even though they didn't have any power. I paid cash, and I forget whether or how they did credit card transactions (possibly by writing down CC numbers on paper.) They made a lot of phone calls to a different store to get prices for items.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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I seem to recall a tree falling in Ohio knocked out the power to NYC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_2003

A monkey took out the whole grid in Sri Lanka this year https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/13/asia/sri-lanka-power-outa...

I still lament the passing of cybersquirrel1

https://cybersquirrel1.com/

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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Remember folks, there's about 1% chance of a Carrington event occurrence every year. We're simply not ready.

Last big outage here in Spain, we got a generator, wind turbine, solar and battery. All cheap Chinese stuff as it doesn't happen often, as a result, this event was barely noticeable to us. Especially the wind turbine did well the entire day and night until the power came back a few hours ago.

What batteries did you get? We have solar and wind, but storage is a real problem.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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In another life I worked as an engineer commissioning oil rigs and I’ve seen how tricky even a small-scale black start can be. On a rig, we simulate total power loss and have to hand-crank a tiny air compressor just to start a small emergency generator, which then powers the compressors needed to fire up the big ~7MW main generators. It's a delicate chain reaction — and that's just for one isolated platform. A full g…

I love the "analog" handcranked air compressor to 7MW generator escalation, it really captures human ingenuity. I wonder however how being part of the "continental Europe synchronous grid" affects this, and how it isolates to Portugal and Spain like this. But yeah there are a lot of capacitors that want juice on startup that happily kills any attempt to restore power. My father had "a lot" of PA speakers at home and…

I saw some ancient footage of an Me-109 fighter engine being started. A tech jumped on the wing and inserted a hand crank into a slot on the side. He threw all his might into turning it, and then after a delay the propeller started turning and coughed into life.

I realized the tech must have been winding up a flywheel, and then the pilot engaged a clutch to dump the flywheel's inertia into the engine.

The engineer in me loves the simplicity and low tech approach - a ground cart isn't needed nor is a battery charger (and batteries don't work in the cold). Perfect for a battlefield airplane.

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I saw an exhibit of an Me-262 jet fighter engine. Looking closely at the nacelle, which was cut away a bit, I noticed it enclosed a tiny piston engine. I inferred that engine was used to start the jet engine turning. It even had a pull-start handle on it! Again, no ground cart needed.

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I was reading about the MiG-15. American fighters used a pump to supply pressurized oxygen to the pilot. The MiG-15 just used a pressurized tank of air. It provided only for a limited time at altitude, but since the MiG-15 drank fuel like a drunkard, that was enough time anyway. Of course, if the ground crew forgot to pressurize it, the pilot was in trouble.

Again, simple and effective.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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> have to hand-crank a tiny air compressor just to start a small emergency generator Similarly, the US Navy maintains banks of pressurized air flasks to air-start emergency diesels. Total Capacity being some multiple of the required single-start capacity

I understand some old radial airplane engines were started with what were essentially shotgun cartridges

They’re called Coffman engine starters [1].

Random fact: Those starters are a plot point in the 1965 film The Flight of the Phoenix, where the protagonists are trying to start a plane that’s stranded in the Sahara, but only have a small supply of starter cartridges left.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffman_engine_starter

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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I understand some old radial airplane engines were started with what were essentially shotgun cartridges

They’re called Coffman engine starters [1]. Random fact: Those starters are a plot point in the 1965 film The Flight of the Phoenix, where the protagonists are trying to start a plane that’s stranded in the Sahara, but only have a small supply of starter cartridges left. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffman_engine_starter

Love that movie!
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