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Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by viraptor »

DonHopkins wrote: post #615
jopsen wrote: post #338

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Even universal tariffs with no exceptions is a problem. Many things cross US/Canada/Mexico border in the process being manufactured. And tariffs will stack up. Many advanced products (tech/chip, etc) are not entirely made in any single place. Some stuff is imported, and some is exported again, and tariffing the world, will also make the world tariff you. I think this is all around bad. Best case scenario the US has e…

He's already gotten what he wanted from it and bragged about it: so many leaders of different countries calling up and kissing his ass. He's certainly not going to give any of them what they wanted, and now they all have the taste of his ass in their mouths. At least they have something in common with Elon Musk, now.

Worth looking at the actual deals. The initial talks with Canada and Mexico resulted in reported "deals" and "wins" that were actually just confirmations that the deals negotiated under previous administration are in fact happening.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by righthand »

kccqzy wrote: post #720
righthand wrote: post #685

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It’s a different situation because the numbers are different even though so far the outcomes are the same. Am I reading that right?

The outcomes are not the same because the numbers are not the same. A few days ago some Chinese journalists interviewed analysts familiar with CATL on batteries. At that time the tariff was 125%, and the analysts thought CATL could still eke out some profits: it's one of the very few Chinese businesses that can profit despite the 125% tariffs because China controls 75% of the world's battery anodes, 90% of cathodes a…

How do you know the outcome? It’s not over yet.

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Post by righthand »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #777
righthand wrote: post #685

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It’s a different situation because the numbers are different even though so far the outcomes are the same. Am I reading that right?

I'm not sure what you could possibly mean by "outcome" that doesn't include a 145% tax as an outcome. Perhaps you've fallen victim to the misinformation that the exporting country pays tariffs? That's not so; a 145% tariff on imports from China means that an American business importing $10,000 of stuff from China is required to pay the US government $14,500 on top. (Or they can not do the import and lay off everyone…

Still have another 90+ days to figure this out. Perhaps you have fallen victim to believing each move is a different game than last time. To me it appears all someone did was shuffle the pieces.

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Post by [deleted] »

_heimdall wrote: post #794
dmd wrote: post #784

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Ok, but (a) they won't, and (b) if they do, who carries out the actual removal of the president from power? ... oh, right, the executive branch, again. Oops.

If your concerns are only procedural, surely congress could fix that if they cared. If they actually had the vote to impeach they could likely have the voter to either pass new law or amend the constitution to ensure the removal is enforced.

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Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by beeflet »

bayindirh wrote: post #772
Animats wrote: post #372

Since last night, anyway. The people who make shipping work are frantically trying to keep up. One of the biggest customs brokers posts updates twice a day on weekdays. Last update 4 PM Friday, so they haven't caught the biggest reversal. If tariff rates change while in transit, the bond paid before the item was shipped may now be insufficient. So the container goes into storage (where?) until Customs and Border Prot…

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Bitcoin miners tend to be ASICs nowadays. Based on the PCIe lanes I would assume that is for some GPU-mining mobo for equihash or scrypt

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by tim333 »

And they're back(?):

>NOBODY is getting “off the hook” for the unfair Trade Balances, and Non Monetary Tariff Barriers, that other Countries have used against us, especially not China which, by far, treats us the worst! There was no Tariff “exception” announced on Friday. These products are subject to the existing 20% Fentanyl Tariffs, and they are just moving to a different Tariff “bucket.” The Fake News knows this, but refuses to report it. We are taking a look at Semiconductors and the WHOLE ELECTRONICS SUPPLY CHAIN in the upcoming National Security Tariff Investigations...

(truth social Apr 13, 2025, 8:36 PM. You need the day and time to see what the tariffs are that particular hour really)

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by rstuart4133 »

Aurornis wrote: post #741
jpster wrote: post #542

I suspect it would be a good idea if the US abolished the presidency and moved to a parliamentary system. Turns out that concentrating so much power in a single position is a bad idea.

Our current system should allow Congress to control this. They’re not. That’s the problem. You could swap it out for a parliamentary structure with the same characters and you’d get the same result. There’s a weird personality cult thing going on and everyone is waiting to see who will break ranks first, lest they get crushed by the retaliatory wrath of Trump calling his followers to oppose a person and Elon Musk dum…

If you are persuaded by "The Goodness Paradox" (Richard Wrangham) then you are probably going to think like I do Congress and the Senate acting almost inevitable if Trump does enough damage. The book is speculation/theory on how/why the low level of intra-tribe violence in humans could have evolved. It is literally an order of magnitude less than other species. His theory is in small tribes small men routinely band together to kill an oppressive leader. The result is leaders evolved to be less violent over time. Most of the violence in other species happens because it is the primary tool leaders use to extract resourced from others, so when they do this total in-tribe violence was reduced. It had no effect on the violence between tribes, which is anything has increased in humans. If he's right this behaviour is fairly ingrained in all human males now.

Wrangham's thesis is this behaviour is built on language. In order to kill the biggest and most powerful with little risk, the group had to coordinate and perhaps more importantly a level of trust had to be build up, because if one broke ranks and spilled the beans before the deed was done, the leader could pick off the insurrectionists one by one. The most startling example of this is the men who killed Caesar (some 60 to 70 of them) all sank a knife into his body. Only humans had the tool needed to build up the level of in-group trust: language.

The relevance to overthrowing is Trump needs a concerted whispering campaign that takes months to to create the bonds between the "small men". We've had less than 100 days to enjoy the fruits of Trump's blessings. They've only just become aware of what he is doing to their electoral prospects. Hell, I suspect Trumps big donors like Musk have only woken up to the fact in the last couple of days that they've funded a huge threat to their personal fortunes and the businesses that create and sustain those fortunes. But they are aware now, and as you say the white anting has begun. May it continue post haste.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

jijijijij wrote: post #817
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #785

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I want to be careful about how I frame this, because I don't want to make it sound like Trump or AfD don't have agency and can't be held responsible for their own actions. But if you're curious what it is that enabled both cults, the answer is pretty clear: there's significant popular demand for harsh immigration restrictions, and in much of the West only crazy far-right parties are willing to listen to it. The Danis…

No. Can't speak for the US, but in Germany immigration is not the problem they make it out to be, but one that is propped up as a scapegoat. You presume the people's demand here are based in reasonable distress, when really it's not. Or rather it's not attributed correctly. Stats don't support it, proposed solutions are not able to resolve it. In particular the AfD has no actual answers for anything. Their "politics"…

I do advocate for addressing those, and I don't support throwing anyone under the bus. That's why I support moderating on immigration!

I agree with you that the anti-immigration movement doesn't make much sense to me, and I'm pretty confident that restricting immigration won't have the benefits its proponents claim. But the people who support it are genuine, as far as I can tell, and aren't going to just evaporate if rent decreases 10%. You can restrict immigration in a humane and respectful way, or you can follow the US and wait for xenophobic politicians to restrict immigration in an inhumane and disrespectful way; I don't think there's a third option.

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Post by soulofmischief »

jijijijij wrote: post #821
soulofmischief wrote: post #795

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Keep your sympathies, it's a narrow-minded view to assume all Americans wanted this. We didn't. And it's not like we had a real, ethical choice. The runner-up was going to be business as usual with foreign politics, enabling genocides and engaging in proxy wars and regime changes for the control of energy and resources. Many people did not believe either candidate was legitimate or shouldn't be in prison.

You missed the sarcasm, no worries. It's also referencing a scene in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy . https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_th...

I caught the initial reference, it's one of my favorite books, it just sounded less and less sarcastic by the end of it, to me it came off as "The Heritage Foundation published Project 2025 for all to see months before you voted in the guy who put it into action". I apologize for assuming incorrectly.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by XorNot »

throw0101d wrote: post #644
XorNot wrote: post #481

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Except tarrifs rarely help any of that: there's already extensive regulations in place to require local sourcing for defence critical components, all the way down the supply chain. And tarriffing imports doesn't make a difference in the case of something like shipbuilding where the real problem is the government hasn't got a consistent order-book to keep factories staffed, operating and training - nor a plan to allow…

> Except tarrifs rarely help any of that: there's already extensive regulations in place to require local sourcing for defence critical components, all the way down the supply chain. This is too limited in thinking. It's not just about "defence critical components", but the know-how and having the production workflow knowledge. It's all well and good to have rules on what goes into frigate, but if you don't have the…

This is presuming you get to keep the shipyards. They're no use to you if they're all blown to hell in the first 48 hours - ships take months to build at minimum. If you lose your navy in the mean time, you won't be building anything.

This is the problem with these assumptions: they're all rooted in the industrial warfare the US won in WW2 but are not contextually accurate to today. WW2 wasn't fought with satellite targeting and precision cruise missiles which could be fired from half the planet away. Ukraine is currently hitting targets on the other side of Russia - "behind the lines" doesn't really exist for strategic assets anymore.

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