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US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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Everyone is quick to deride this move as stupid. I don’t disagree that there are downsides to the approach, but there is a set of very real national problems that this might address. For instance, globalization and offshoring of production has made goods cheaper for consumers, but what about the former domestic producers who could not compete, and do not have the skills or capital to find a new job which pays as well…

Tarrifs are a tool that must be applied strategically. You typically announce tarrifs years in advance so business can shift their logistics and build out manufacturing where you want it. However a daily change in tariffs only creates a chaos that the economy cannot simply respond to fast enough. A new steel mill won't magically appear in the middle of the US within a month.

> A new steel mill won't magically appear in the middle of the US within a month.

And yet, I'm sure Trump will show up at one to take credit for its existence within the next month or so.

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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It's true that free trade is hugely beneficial to the US economy as a whole, particularly with the USD being the reserve currency. The flow of goods is balanced by a flow of US dollars to other countries, which are ultimately cycled back into the US financial system - enabling budget deficits and an abundance of capital to invest in high growth industries. The flip side of this is that it also drives inequality - the…

Yes! "Trade Wars are Class Wars" by Klein & Pettis is the book to read if you want to hear actual economists with actual data talk about this.

For what it's worth Pettis thinks tariffs would be beneficial for the American economy: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/how-tariffs-can...

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

#833

This won't bring home manufacturing but let's say that it will... The US doesn't have the people to do the actual manufacturing. I saw a video recently explaining how sectors like the military, construction and the automotive industry each have 100K+ positions that they are unable to fill. A return to manufacturing adds to that shortage. Apparently there's some 7 million young men of working age that are...missing in…

If there was a real labor demand shortage wouldn't there be actual wage growth though ?

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

#834

Aside from everything else one thing what strikes me as particularly insane is how it’s not even defensible as a protective measure. My favorite everyday olive oil comes from Tunisia. They now have a 38% tariff on them. There are no out of work olive farmers in the US. The orange man wanted tariffs, the orange man is going to get tariffs. Now we have to hope the American people aren’t so dumb as to still be convinced…

No offense, but the benefits may outweigh problems like getting your favorite Tunisian olive oil.

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

#835
post #731

I don't see anyone mentioning that the United States needs to manage its massive national debt, currently in the trillions, by issuing Treasury securities. These securities mature at varying intervals and require continuous "rolling" or refinancing to pay off old debt with new borrowing. Significant rollovers are expected from April through September 2025, with additional short-term maturities due by June. Higher int…

The F-35 jet will cost over $1.5 Trillion, doesn't work and won't be used Cancel it and stop making everyone's daily life absolute hell by doubling the prices of groceries, car payments, etc. every month National Debt is not a problem for a country that will be around for 1000+ years unless you know of something that is going to greatly shorten that. There are nearly 1,000 BILLIONAIRES in the US, the debt is their pr…

> The F-35 jet will cost over $1.5 Trillion, doesn't work and won't be used

Over 1,100 of them have been built so far and they seem to be working quite well.

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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post #460

From the people in my life who talked about their preference for this administration, the economy was the core reason I heard. Specifically interest rates, but ignoring that that’s the federal reserve and the president has no impact on that. Whatever - all that said, I can’t imagine this leads to an economic boom or anything near it by the midterms. Are the republicans going to lose midterms if the economy is shit? I…

Edit: poor formatting on mobile.

The “Liberation Day” tariffs aren’t random—they’re step one in a broader strategy called the Mar-a-Lago Accord (yes, named after Trump’s resort). Here’s the playbook from Stephen Miran’s framework and what’s likely next:

The Mar-a-Lago Accord Framework

1. Tariffs as Leverage

   • Impose tariffs to force trading partners to revalue their currencies downward (making U.S. exports cheaper globally).
   
• Example: The “reciprocal” tariffs target countries with trade surpluses (China, EU) to pressure concessions.

2. Currency Realignment

   • Weaken the dollar to boost U.S. manufacturing (counteracting its “overvaluation”).

 • Miran argues a weaker dollar would make imports pricier and exports more competitive.

 3. Debt Restructuring
 
  • Swap existing U.S. Treasury debt into 100-year “century bonds” to reduce interest payments.

   • Foreign holders (like China/Japan) would “voluntarily” accept this to maintain U.S. security ties.
 
4. Sovereign Wealth Fund

  • Use tariff revenue to create a fund buying foreign currencies, artificially depressing the dollar.

   • (Not implemented yet—still theoretical.)
Where “Liberation Day” Fits?

—> You are here | Step 1 The 10% baseline tariff + “reciprocal” rates (up to 50%) kickstart Miran’s plan by:

  - • Generating revenue ($300B+/year) to fund future steps.

  - • Forcing allies/adversaries to negotiate (or face higher costs).

  - • Goal: Create chaos to pressure partners into accepting dollar devaluation and debt swaps.

What’s Next (If the Playbook Holds)?

1. The ̶C̶l̶o̶n̶e̶ Currency Wars

Expect Trump to accuse China/EU of “currency manipulation” to justify further dollar interventions.

2. Debt Shakeup

Pressure foreign Treasury holders (like Japan) to swap debt for century bonds. If they refuse? More tariffs.

3. Sector-Specific Tariffs

Pharma, lumber, and tech tariffs are likely next to “protect” U.S. industries.

4. Retaliation Escalation

Allies like Canada/EU will counter with tariffs, risking global recession.

The Perils Lying Ahead (Miran’s paper admits risks)

Miran’s paper admits risks:

   • Tariffs might strengthen the dollar short-term (investors flock to USD safety), undermining manufacturing goals.

 • Debt restructuring could trigger a Treasury sell-off, spiking interest rates.
Bottom line: “Liberation Day” is phase one of a high-risk plan. Success depends on whether trading partners blink first.

"The Road goes ever on and on, Down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, And I must follow, if I can." - Tolkien

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Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

#837
post #731

I don't see anyone mentioning that the United States needs to manage its massive national debt, currently in the trillions, by issuing Treasury securities. These securities mature at varying intervals and require continuous "rolling" or refinancing to pay off old debt with new borrowing. Significant rollovers are expected from April through September 2025, with additional short-term maturities due by June. Higher int…

The F-35 jet will cost over $1.5 Trillion, doesn't work and won't be used Cancel it and stop making everyone's daily life absolute hell by doubling the prices of groceries, car payments, etc. every month National Debt is not a problem for a country that will be around for 1000+ years unless you know of something that is going to greatly shorten that. There are nearly 1,000 BILLIONAIRES in the US, the debt is their pr…

>The F-35 jet will cost over $1.5 Trillion, doesn't work and won't be used

You've bought literal Russian propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

The F35 is an incredible piece of technology.

Do you remember infamous articles saying it couldn't dogfight? Not only were those stupid propaganda (you can't dogfight at 100km engagement ranges), all the people repeating them seemed to miss the comment by the older aircraft pilot that the radar assisted gunsight on their gen 4 fighter could not track the F35!, not even at knife fighting range. Go lookup how good gunnery was in WW2 if you want to understand how hilariously bad that is for gen 4 fighters.

The F35 is pricey to run, $40k an hour, but so was the F14, which is correctly understood to be a high tech masterpiece, a tech platform, and one of the best aircraft ever made.

We've already built 1000s of them, and they are already being used today. Israel's attack on Iran that showed just how impotent soviet era air defenses are was conducted with f35s.

"Israel used more than 100 aircraft, carrying fewer than 100 munitions, and with no aircraft getting within 100 miles of the target in the first wave, and that took down nearly the entirety of Iran's air-defense system,"

It's a very impressive machine, that everyone wants, and China is really rushing to build something competitive.

>There are nearly 1,000 BILLIONAIRES in the US, the debt is their problem, they can pay more taxes until it's down to a number you like.

150% correct. The USA is stupidly wealthy on the world stage. We don't have to play pretend poverty, if we would tax the people who have hoarded all that wealth.

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

#838
post #750

It's true that free trade is hugely beneficial to the US economy as a whole, particularly with the USD being the reserve currency. The flow of goods is balanced by a flow of US dollars to other countries, which are ultimately cycled back into the US financial system - enabling budget deficits and an abundance of capital to invest in high growth industries. The flip side of this is that it also drives inequality - the…

> but many on this very site would need to give up a little bit of their privilege to reduce the pain felt by many of their fellow citizens. Agreed. However, by imposing tariffs it is not the privileged who are going to be affected the most. The pain is felt most by the low-skill workers you mentioned earlier. If the solution was instead along the lines of changing tax-brackets to tax the 'privileged' more, that migh…

Yeah, isn't this just regressive taxation?

How much all the imports are realistically going to be made in the US?

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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post #750

It's true that free trade is hugely beneficial to the US economy as a whole, particularly with the USD being the reserve currency. The flow of goods is balanced by a flow of US dollars to other countries, which are ultimately cycled back into the US financial system - enabling budget deficits and an abundance of capital to invest in high growth industries. The flip side of this is that it also drives inequality - the…

> but many on this very site would need to give up a little bit of their privilege to reduce the pain felt by many of their fellow citizens. Agreed. However, by imposing tariffs it is not the privileged who are going to be affected the most. The pain is felt most by the low-skill workers you mentioned earlier. If the solution was instead along the lines of changing tax-brackets to tax the 'privileged' more, that migh…

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Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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From what I understand, de minimis exemption has also been removed. That is a huge, huge deal. It effectively means that all goods imported from China will be slapped with a 30% import tax, as soon as said goods arrive the US border / customs. Usually what happens then, is that the courier will pay that tax, and then bill the recipient later on - as well as charge some fee/fees for the work done. This is why in some…

De minimis exemption expiring has been a planned thing for years through administrations of both parties. Trump admin has been delaying the already planned expiration during the Biden years to use as a negotiating carrot. Basically it just means Temu/Aliexpress/Etc. will ship their goods to the US in bulk instead of bypassing customs on individual small orders, and distribute from domestic warehouses, having to now c…

I'm inclined to believe they're already doing something like this. I don't shop them but my wife uses Shein and Temu pretty often, and commented last year that more and more stuff was shipping from the US rather than overseas now.
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