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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by account42 » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 1:41 PM UTC

apwell23 wrote: post #70

heraldgeezer wrote: post #43

>There were around 140 of us in our unit. Many women had lived and worked in the US legally for years but had overstayed their visas – often after reapplying and being denied. They had all been detained without warning. Okay so, not legal then? These articles are always like this. "omg I just overstayed a little bit!!! uwu" Btw, I am European and will never hopefully have to visit the USA again.

> These women acknowledged that they shouldn’t have overstayed and took responsibility for their actions. They took responsibility for their actions so they should't have been put there. punishing ppl even after they take responsibility is not what ppl voted for.

What do you expect, that anyone can violate the law and get off without consequences as long as they say "sorry"? Taking responsibility includes accepting consequences.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by reportgunner » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 1:43 PM UTC

ElevenLathe wrote: post #704

I would like to remind everyone assuming that some kind of hassles at the border are normal and necessary (even if the specifics of this one make you mad) that this is NOT the case. Our current international regime of widespread passports, residency permits, visas, and border checks is barely 100 years old. Even in my lifetime (pre-9/11) the US-Canada border was a passport-free affair: just show the border guard your…

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by account42 » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 1:44 PM UTC

maxglute wrote: post #421

RobertRoberts wrote: post #346

I have a close relationship with a Chinese national that is going through the US immigration process. His view on situations like this are enlightening. He knows the difference between true dictatorships and political wranglings in the news. No system is perfect, and bad things happen to good people every day. In this circumstance, it looks like this person didn't follow all the appropriate rules related to the enter…

> treatment in his home country would be considerably worse. If you enter PRC on bad VISA you chill at the airport transit area and deported on next available flight. None of this for profit multi week detention to milk ICE contracts.

And if you come back and try again at a different location? Customs checks aren't perfect so it makes sense to up the consequences if you are found to be trying to work around them.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by account42 » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 1:45 PM UTC

footy wrote: post #591

RobertRoberts wrote: post #346

I have a close relationship with a Chinese national that is going through the US immigration process. His view on situations like this are enlightening. He knows the difference between true dictatorships and political wranglings in the news. No system is perfect, and bad things happen to good people every day. In this circumstance, it looks like this person didn't follow all the appropriate rules related to the enter…

because fear of being deported is not the same as "fear of being held in a for-profit prison without being given any information"

Detention for being in the country without a visa is not uncommon around the world.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by account42 » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 1:49 PM UTC

diggan wrote: post #264

mgh2 wrote: post #240

Can more information be provided to make sure this is a true story or a political campaign ad? Is this why it is flagged?

> Can more information be provided to make sure this is a true story Here you have 124 sources (and counting), from all sides of the political spectrum: https://ground.news/article/canadian-woman-says-she-was-wrap...

124 re-edits of the same news wire does not equal 124 sources.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by AlecSchueler » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 1:53 PM UTC

account42 wrote: post #830

AlecSchueler wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So deny her entry and let her airline deal with returning her? Why did she need to be imprisoned? International Law says that if you're denied entry the onus is on your flight carrier to return you, which is a private matter between you and the carrier.

Denying entry is for honest mistakes. If someone is actively committing fraud you need to up the consequences in order to effectively deter others from trying their luck.

If she was suspected of fraud then inform, arrest her and make plans for this suspicion to be tested by trial, no? As I understand it she was "detained" rather than arrested, told outright that she had not committed a criminal offence, and was offered no further insight into her situation or when/where/how she would be released.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by tpm » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 1:53 PM UTC

account42 wrote: post #819

tpm wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is the solution for Italy and Greece with these massive coast lines and islands? The solution is to once again enable applying for asylum at the embassies and consulates. Then nobody has to drown. > If the rescuers dumped them in a random North African country, everything would be fine. Apart from the many people being killed by random North African country, like what is happening currently with migrants in Li…

> The solution is to once again enable applying for asylum at the embassies and consulates. Then nobody has to drown. So you think if those countries don't accept everyone that wants to enter then it's ok for people to try to enter illegally? That's not how borders work. > Apart from the many people being killed by random North African country, like what is happening currently with migrants in Libya. That's not fine…

> The solution is to once again enable applying for asylum at the embassies and consulates. Then nobody has to drown. > So you think if those countries don't accept everyone that wants to enter then it's ok for people to try to enter illegally?

Right, so let's unpack this. There is no way to apply for asylum at embassies. It was previously possible, but it's not possible anymore. If you want to apply for asylum, you have to be physically present in the country where you want to apply. Since applying for asylum is legal (it's a guaranteed human right and some countries try to respect at least a subset of human rights, wonder for how long), it is also legal to enter a country for the purpose of applying for asylum, no matter what everyone else says.

> countries don't accept everyone

This is not about accepting anyone. Asylum is a totally different legal concept than migration. Asylum is granted (or not), not accepted. People that are drowning in the Med. sea are applying for asylum, if they survive. For most of them, it will not be granted, but they are exercising their rights. People have a right to apply for asylum, countries have a right to grant or refuse at will.

> They can go to a neighboring country without being "stranded" at sea where they need "rescuing".

Everyone has the right not to be killed. Just a basic respect to other human beings would be welcome at this stage.

> Humanitarian reasons do not require you to pick up people near the coast of Africa...

Yes they do, there are again legal reasons for that. The laws can be changed, but until then it is indeed the only legal thing to do. And also some people don't enjoy seeing other people drowning.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by steviedotboston » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 2:02 PM UTC

deskamess wrote: post #634

steviedotboston wrote: post #485

Her visa was revoked, and then she entered the US again. That's an immigration offense that can get you detained at the border (any international airport).

Correct me if I am wrong... she was actually in the US to apply for a new visa with a new company and not on business with the old company.

You apply for a visa in your country of residence. If you are in the US already you need to have a valid visa.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by hattmall » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 2:20 PM UTC

footy wrote: post #709

hattmall wrote: post #681

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Yes, the agent saying "We have to send you back to Canada" is because she wasn't allowed in Mexico. By default her tourist card would have only covered entry from from Canada. The first CBP agent almost certainly attempted to get her back into Mexico which is why it took "hours." If she already had a valid VISA for Mexico then the default would be to return her. The article doesn't even really make it clear that she…

Canadians don't need a visa to travel to Mexico though [1], assuming they won't be doing any work or studying. Going to the airport to go back to Canada is not work. [1] https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/mexico

Yes, but if she HAD a VISA she would have been allowed to return to Mexico. She entered Mexico with a Temporary Tourist Card for entry from Canada to exit through the US with specified dates or less than 72 hours. That card became invalid when she left Mexico. The border agents most certainly tried to get her back into Mexico, but "denied entry into the US" is going to cause a manual administrative review in Mexico and that appears to have been denied. The only thing different under Biden / Obama would have been that she may have been processed faster because their was less backlog.

She gambled on trying to to game the immigration system and lost. It sucks but 12 days in custody isn't world ending. The most amazing part to me is people with no experience with "the system" find themselves incarcerated and think not eating sounds like a good idea.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by righthand » Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 2:26 PM UTC

kcplate wrote: post #388

righthand wrote: post #338

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This is the exact same thing my father said before Biden stepped down, only instead it was my grandmother. Suddenly everyone’s an expert in mental decline and that was worrying for voters with Biden to stutter infrequently but with logical talking points. However it was acceptable for Trump to stand there and literally drool out of his mouth with nonsensical hate. That is a reason to not vote is unfounded medical hys…

Got it. You disregard the opinions of people who have seen dementia first hand in favor of a DNC talking point. “Don’t trust your lying eyes! Biden is as sharp as a tack”. I know what I saw, and I am sure your dad did too. I spent years as a caregiver to an Alzheimers patient, I may not be a “medical expert” but I am capable of recognizing similarities, especially when they are obvious and frankly common for dementia…

You’re proving exactly my point is that you hold disdain for Biden being old but Trump who can’t talk either is given a free pass. Yes that discounts your nonvoting opinion to valueless because it is nonsensical. Regardless if Biden is early stage dementia or not.

You can “see” all the dementia signs you want. It doesn’t make it true and you should really seek out more material than the few times you’ve probably watched him speak. He really was a good leader that got thrown under the bus for a few bad performances. Right now you’re just carrying on how you’re not qualified to diagnose dementia but it doesn’t matter because you know what the media circus told you and that lines up with your baseless theory.