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Re: GPT-4.5

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Once we get to that stage, unless you're a capitalist, remember that your job is next in line to be replaced.

I write code for a living. My entire profession is on the line, thanks to ourselves. My eyes are wide open on the situation at hand though. Burying my head in the sand and pretending what I wrote above isn't true, isn't going to make it any less true. I'm not sure what I can do about it, either. My job already doesn't look like it did a year ago, nevermind a decade away.

I keep telling coders to switch to being 1-person enterprise shops instead, but they don't listen. They will learn the hard way when they suddenly find themselves without a job due to AI having taken it away. As for what enterprise, use your imagination without bias from coding.

Re: GPT-4.5

#832

I feel like OpenAI is pursuing AGI when Anthropic/Claude is pursuing making AI awesome for practical things like coding. I only ever using OpenAI's coding now as a double check against Claude. Does OpenAI have their eyes on the ball?

Open AI is pursuing bullshit as they realised they can not compete anymore as they fired most of their talent year ago

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Out of curiosity, what timeframe are you talking about? The recent LLM explosion, or the decades long AI research? I consider myself an AI skeptic and as soon as the hype train went full steam, I assumed a crash/bubble burst was inevitable. Still do. With the rare exception, I don’t know of anyone who has expected the bubble to burst so quickly (within two years). 10 times in the last 2 years would be every two and a…

Yes, the bubble will burst, just like the dotcom bubble burst 25 years ago. But that didn't mean the internet should be ignored, and the same holds true for AI today IMO

I agree LLMs should not be ignored, but there is a planetary sized chasm between being ignored and the attention they currently get.

Re: GPT-4.5

#834

Oh this makes sense. chatGPT results have taken a nose dive in quality lately. It couldn't write a simple rename function for me yesterday, still buggy after seven attempts. I'm more and more convinced that they dumb down the core product when they plan to release a new version to make the difference seem bigger.

Yep I realized about that many time ago, they are literally scammers

Re: GPT-4.5

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99% chance that's confirmation bias

Sam tweeted that they're running out of computer. I think it's reasonable to think they may serve somewhat quantized models when out of capacity. It would be a rational business decision that would minimally disrupt lower tier ChatGPT users. Anecdotally, I've noticed what appears to be drops in quality, some days. When the quality drops, it responds in odd ways when asked what model it is.

Who cares what that clown twits??

Re: GPT-4.5

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GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

ChatGPT has been coasting on name recognition since 4.

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> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

AI in general is increasingly a solution in search of a problem, so this seems about right.

Only in the same sense as electricity is. The main tools apply to almost any activity humans do. It's already obvious that it's the solution to X for almost any X, but the devil is in the details - i.e. picking specific, simplest problems to start with.

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> "Early testing shows that interacting with GPT‑4.5 feels more natural. Its broader knowledge base, improved ability to follow user intent, and greater “EQ” make it useful for tasks like improving writing, programming, and solving practical problems. We also expect it to hallucinate less." "Early testing doesn't show that it hallucinates less, but we expect that putting that sentence nearby will lead you to draw a c…

What is happening to hacker news? I can understand skepticism of new tools like this but the response I see is just so uncurious.

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Re: GPT-4.5

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> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

> "Early testing shows that interacting with GPT‑4.5 feels more natural. Its broader knowledge base, improved ability to follow user intent, and greater “EQ” make it useful for tasks like improving writing, programming, and solving practical problems. We also expect it to hallucinate less." "Early testing doesn't show that it hallucinates less, but we expect that putting that sentence nearby will lead you to draw a c…

In the second handpicked example they give, GPT-4.5 says that "The Trojan Women Setting Fire to Their Fleet" by the French painter Claude Lorrain is renowned for its luminous depiction of fire. That is a hallucination.

There is no fire at all in the painting, only some smoke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trojan_Women_Set_Fire_to_t...

Re: GPT-4.5

#840
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The price is not that insane when you remember that GPT-4 cost 36$/million input tokens at launch!

Prices have come down

yes, which suggests they'll keep going down! So I'd expect GPT-4.5 to be 90% cheaper in 1-2 years
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