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UK's hardware talent is being wasted

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Re: UK's hardware talent is being wasted

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Try unfollowing CNN, MSNBC, and BBC for a bit. It'll do you good.

that’s like a US election, eh? you drunk at 2:00am and there’s two of the ugliest people on Earth at the bar but you know you taking one of the home :) I’d still pick MSM over fucking Elon :)

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Re: UK's hardware talent is being wasted

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That's a really good article! Do you want to know a bit more? Ukraine hardware best talents -> 18k/year. Belarus best hardware talents -> 6k/year Some part of Russia best hardware talents -> 14k/year Eastern Europe -> hardware talent is basically free

You can decent even further, look at what labor in India costs.

Companies are already taking advantage of that and are outsourcing there.

Re: UK's hardware talent is being wasted

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Being an engineer means mastering your production tool. For everything to do with physical production, you need to be close to the means of production to gather essential information on quality, capacity, operator feedback (machine and quality operators are invaluable sources of information.), etc. Most information is not digital or hardly digitizable. I don't completely agree with the article's classification of ARM…

I'd go one further and say you have to be at least a journeyman in whatever tools your process is using. The difference between someone designing a part in cad and someone designing the tool paths for the machine that makes the part in cam is night and day.

For a while, we had the "maker movement" and "maker spaces", and people were learning that stuff. But that all tanked when TechShop went bankrupt.

There are still maker spaces around, but most of them are now more into sewing, paper folding, and hot glue than CNC machining. Few go beyond a 3D printer. The ones that do tend to have some kind of subsidy from a larger educational institution.

Re: UK's hardware talent is being wasted

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UK ignited the First Industrial Revolution. It's sad to see that UK has slipped to number 16 or lower when it came to the market share of global manufacturing. And the problem is not to just UK, but to pretty much all the developed countries. Many nations and people have benefited greatly from globalization, but I have to ask: is it worth it if the cost is forfeiting my own country's manufacturing know-how and supply…

The US outsourced its manufacturing to China in the name of comparative advantage. Bob bakes bread, Alice grow apples. Everyone is better off because of specialization. In Thomas Friedman's latest nyt column, he refers to China's manufacturing dominance as a play to de-industrializing other countries. It may just be globalization is incompatible with political realities.

>Bob bakes bread, Alice grow apples. Everyone is better off because of specialization.

America is 300 Million. Europe is almost a Billion. These populations are more than large enough to specialize in everything.

>Everyone is better off because of specialization.

Why?

Re: UK's hardware talent is being wasted

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I think that needs to be qualified heavily — salaries in the UK are much lower both in nominal and PPP terms, so there's much less opportunity to build one's own safety net, and the NHS is overwhelmingly focused on providing care for the elderly. To a young(ish) startup founder, the presence of the NHS and UC makes little to no difference.

The startup founder in the UK needn't worry about a bad cycling accident (happened to a friend in his thirties), an early cancer (colleague in her thirties) or losing their job just before a baby is born (friend in his thirties).

Why? Each one is life changing event. Just because some part of the bill is paid by the government does not mean it is any less worth worrying about.

Re: UK's hardware talent is being wasted

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The other problem is the welfare state or just the state. So much graft and just living off printed money. It pushes out success. What percent of the UK is effectively civil servants or people receiving benefits? What percent are net takers? A lot

> The other problem is the welfare state or just the state. So much graft and just living off printed money. It pushes out success. I see these uninformed comments all the time, and to be they suggest that the person in question has an intense ideological bent, but an aversion to evidence. As another commenter pointed out, a large amount of UK benefits spending (~£100bn) is on the state pension (the single largest be…

> Presumably some starting points would be working out how to lower the costs of fruit and vegetables and increase the cost of ultra-processed fast food.

Britain has implemented a sugar tax, but I despair when even a right-wing governments attempt to make walking and cycling easier falls victim to culture war nonsense.

Re: UK's hardware talent is being wasted

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I don’t think it’s just a UK thing, or that it’s much easier to start a hardware startup in the USA. I think it’s more that the bar for getting a hardware startup off the ground is much higher than a software startup - everywhere in the world. Personally I’ve been trying to self-fund and bootstrap a hardware startup (based in Australia but I’m reasonably well connected in Silicon Valley as I’m a YC alum). I’ve had pl…

>I’ve had plenty of early success and validation of all my market theses, but it’s super hard to get any investors interested. Plenty say “exciting” and want to chat. All lose interest when you start talking funding needs and path to market.

I started a non-tech food product company, and have found the exact same thing to be true in my line of work. It's odd.

Here's a conversation I recently had with a potential investor.

"You've got a years worth of sales to convince me you have found ideal PMF?"

Yes.

"You've found the resources you need to scale to the degree that I'd get a good return if sales continue to grow?"

Yes.

"You've built a small team with some industry vets, and have some great talent on your advisory board who know the ups and downs of building a brand and product in your chosen space?"

Yes.

"You've boostrapped your way to $100k in revenue, have developed a cult-like following in your local market and are seeking a small amount to be able to grow the product to a state-wide or nation-wide scale?"

Yes.

"How much do are you looking to raise?"

Not a lot by modern standards. A million dollars would last us several years

"Why should I invest in you? Your industry's traditional exit valuation isn't triple digit. Sorry"

Why the fuck did you come to me and ask for this meeting?

>In short, the whole tech industry has been spoiled by easy SaaS wins over the past decade, and that’s all that most investors are willing to even consider.

This needs to be echoed from the rooftops. And seen by a whole bunch of investors/VCs whose hubris has prevented them from investing in anything else.

Re: UK's hardware talent is being wasted

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> The difference between someone designing a part in cad and someone designing the tool paths for the machine that makes the part in cam is night and day. I remember, in a CNC programming class, the instructor calling out one of the students on a lathe program: "One millimeter increments?! What material do you think you are using? Styrofoam?!". That class is where I feel in love with the ASR-33 teletype and its caden…

> "One millimeter increments?! What material do you think you are using? Styrofoam?!" I'm an EE not a MechE but I'd be truly curious to know if there are any MechE programs where a fresh graduate would have ever heard the term "feeds & speeds". In a similar vein, I learned to solder in EE but not because of any of my course work. We were lucky enough to have an aerospace electronics manufacturer situated on the north…

>I'd be truly curious to know if there are any MechE programs where a fresh graduate would have ever heard the term "feeds & speeds".

Germany has dual degrees where you both learn a trade and get a degree. If you are doing this for Mechanical Engineering you definitely will learn this.

Degree programs also have required internships and there are definitely courses which you can take during your degree. I would be surprised if there weren't a majority of mech eng graduates who would know the basics of milling.

Re: UK's hardware talent is being wasted

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Under-rated comment. This is basically the whole explanation. 2008 did a huge amount of damage, not just immediately but to long-term mindsets. Ironically I think it's even entrenched the meme that the only real way to make money in the UK is property. We're all Georgists now. (this includes property as an export industry! Leaving increasing areas of the UK owned by overseas absentee landlords.)

The problem is that people think property is a risk free way of making money - even if they borrow heavily to invest. Maybe what we need is a property price crash.

>Maybe what we need is a property price crash.

What is needed is a steady decrease in demand or an increase in supply.

The cost of living crisis is directly caused by the huge bureaucracy needed to build new housing. And speculators are benefiting from that. As long as governments are unwilling to let go of regulations housing costs will only increase.

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