TikTok goes dark in the US

> So is it fine when China does it, just not when the U.S. does it?

What are you talking about? No US corporation can operate in China without granting China control over your data. I mean, anyone with a cursory understanding of the topic can tell you how China effectively forces internet companies to design their China presence as completely siloed operations with very tight requirements in what personally identifiable information they store.

In the current geopolitical climate, just how far might we go in barring Chinese H‑1B visa holders from industries we label “critical to national security”—sectors such as cloud computing and artificial intelligence? Could such fear and suspicion escalate to the point of mass internment, echoing the shameful precedent of forcibly confining Japanese Americans during World War II? Most importantly, which legal safeguards, democratic institutions, and moral principles exist to ensure that such extreme xenophobic measures remain firmly off the table?

US Resident here. I am in my 50s. Joined TikTok in November 2019. Never joined twitch etc., been away from X for years, and I check FB/IG but rarely, almost never used discord, and not aware of all platforms, but I used TikTok and Reddit heavily.

I checked out TikTok first because someone had posted a link to - shudder - another Israel Palestinian viral video. I am none of those, in fact I have Indian non-muslim non-jewish origin (but been American for a long time). While scrolling through over the days, there were a couple of things I liked and which eventually got me hooked

- There was this brother sister video (not sure I can name names) where they are just running through a house while filming, and end up in front of the bathroom mirror dancing, and then you realize that one of the persons in the mirror is the cameraperson all along. Very well done movements, awesome music, and 100s of copycats, maybe 1000s. I watched almost all of them I guess :) Goes with a song - "taking a picture of you, ramalama bang bang". The brother posted another draft of the same yesterday (from 2019) just before the ban, and I spent another 15 minutes scrolling through the variations. Quite an experience. There were videos by ordinary people that were just so well done.

- There were 2 Indian songs which were copied / parodied really well in those days. Nowadays the copycats do not seem original, but those 2 songs - the variations people created were amazing. And this was before India banned Tiktok so there was a lot more "Indian Indian" content rather than "Indian American" content. Maybe it was the first time I was watching these, but these were joyful, and there was no going back after that.

Over time, you get familiar with many creators. You engage with some of them. Yes there is a lot of people trying to build their "celebrity/influencer" profile but there are a lot of genuine connections. I mean, why do I need to only watch my family's birthday pics, when I can track some musicians, follow some amazing cosplay artists, see some parodies and standup comedies. Everything was there. My latest follows were 1) a UK guy traveling through India eating street food, and 2) 2 magicians based in Berlin similar to Siegfried and Roy but different. I even posted some singing videos there not for follows or likes but because the platform gave good tools to create videos, even without lipsyncing.

But you know you can easily get sidetracked and also step out of bounds. People use it to earn money just by talking, people use it to link it to places where only fans will go (but no direct links). You can go down many rabbit holes, I attended lives a few times, but not ordinarily (lot of people do), and I only engaged in 1:1 conversation with 2 people - over 5 years. I just was not comfortable talking to someone I would never meet in person and be able to assess only based on their fake TikTok persona, but people do engage in discussions. And I did buy from the TikTok shop in December because they had a product with an appeal and a price I could not refuse :) So I guess I tried it all.

Could the same be done on IG / YouTube Shorts - I used them occasionally, but no, they are quite subpar. But now that they are the only alternative, so maybe ... after waiting for a few weeks. Right now, Red Note is engaging enough.

The ban is great because TikTok is a foreign company that is operating with asymmetric privilege given that American social media companies are banned in China. It's unacceptable for a foreign company to be given network privileges without American companies getting the same level playing field in China.

> So what if the Chinese can boost this message or that message

Propaganda is effective. Let's not pretend it isn't. This isn't freedom of speech from an American citizen being censored. This is a militarized, industrial, foreign nation exerting influence over the people of its chief rival while it actively blocks American companies from doing the same within its borders.

I don’t think it really matters. The fact is there is now a semi-adversarial relationship.